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EVE: the Game you Wait to Play

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#501 - 2014-04-11 16:41:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Of course you're lying.
What is he lying about? Because let's be honest here: you have a history of not being able to understand what a lie is…


Scroll back and read it yourself. I'm not your secretary.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#502 - 2014-04-11 16:42:02 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
... I'm a miner, I will mine until the server dies....


But do you have a permit?



the code can suck it ;)

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#503 - 2014-04-11 16:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Koz Katral
Stating your opinion as fact is a pretty frequent occurrence on the inter webs where everyone believes that they are completely in the right. Some people however are capable of remembering that their opinion is exactly that - an opinion, despite how vehemently they might argue in favor of it.

What Karak is getting at is that Jenna doesn't appear to be one of these people as he keeps resorting to "lol u dumb, me not" as a legitimate response.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#504 - 2014-04-11 16:42:58 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Scroll back and read it yourself. I'm not your secretary.
No. Support your claim or STFU.
What is he lying about? Or is it yet another case of you failing to understand the very concept?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#505 - 2014-04-11 16:43:37 UTC
thats exactly what it is
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#506 - 2014-04-11 16:43:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Scroll back and read it yourself. I'm not your secretary.
No. Support your claim or STFU.
What is he lying about? Or is it yet another case of you failing to understand the very concept?


I'm not talking to you, so you either educate yourself by reading it on your own or you STFU.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#507 - 2014-04-11 16:45:25 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm not talking to you

Yes you are. So we can safely assume that you are the liar here since you are utterly and completely incapable of providing even a shred of evidence to support your claims. It's just some nonsense you've conjured out of thin air.
Hal Safon
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#508 - 2014-04-11 16:48:27 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
I migrated to EVE from another MMO in January, 2014, at the energetic urging of a friend. "It is an awesome MMOG," he promised.

I must admit that, initially, the game appeared to have much to offer. The training missions awarded me with complimentary ships, free skills (that trained in minutes!), engagements with nasty pirates, and you got to fly through space at warp speed! Pretty cool. While zipping around the universe in my shiny Sukuuvestaa Heron, there seemed to be no limit to the adventures that surely awaited me in New Eden. After all, if the new-player content was this rewarding, surely the "real world"—the place where the danger really was—could only offer an even greater experience. My mind was an endless sea of ideas—visions of where I would go, the losses I would suffer, the scumbags I would pop, and the perils I would conquer.

A couple months later, reality has finally settled in, and it isn't pretty. EVE is not the exciting adventure I imagined it would be in those initial hours and days of playing. Quite frankly, it is an utterly maddening experiment in "hurry up and wait." I have concluded—and there is no other conclusion that I can draw outside of cognitive dissonance—that EVE is not a game you play; it is a game you wait to play.

What does that mean? It means that, once you get your noob ships and skills, advancing in the game is not a reflexive process at all. Nothing you do in-game will hasten your acquisition of the skills and ships you need to make your bigger EVE dreams a reality. You are stuck in a truly endless training queue. And there is no superlative in that statement—the training queue is endless. For no sooner do you conquer your first twenty-or-thirty-something-day training marathon, finally getting your hands on that coveted ship that promises to lift you to new heights, than you discover that you can't equip the mods you want for it without enduring an additional multi-week training queue for EACH of them. And after you have endured those as well, you will discover that, even then, your dream eludes you, because you still must endure many more multi-week training queues before you can fit all those mods on your ship anyway. Not enough CPU, not enough Power Grid. More skills needed. More waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. What appeared to be tolerable at the outset (a 20-or-so-day training wait), you discover is more like a 200-day training wait.

At this point, you have discovered EVE's dirty little secret—you don't play EVE to advance toward what you want; you wait for EVE to tell you that you can have what you've wanted since day one. The all-powerful "Requirements" tab is become your brutal and merciless master. And heaven forbid that you should, at any time, change your mind about what you want to be, or what class of ship you want to fly. For you will have to start a great deal of the training marathon over again.

EVE's is an outrageous advancement system. But don't misunderstand my position. The passage of time that precedes the acquisition of something of value—this is not a reality that I necessarily oppose. What I oppose is the idea that a game—any game—should be founded on the principle of play without reward. And make no mistake, aside from whatever reward a given player will ascribe to the game of his own will, EVE, as a game, does not inherently reward players for their play time, except with in-game currency. But, lo and behold, players can buy that with real money! So even that is not necessarily a reward. And money doesn't mean squat in EVE until your master—the "Requirements" tab—tells you that you have something decent to spend it on.

It is stupefying to me that EVE has lasted as long as it has with this advancement system in place. Again, no superlative intended.

If you are an EVE veteran, I salute you. You have done what I cannot—and will not—do; you have endured the perpetual training cycles required to, at last, land you in the place you wanted to be. My time is simply worth more than what EVE offers in exchange.

If you are thinking about joining EVE, consider yourself forewarned.



If you want to advance more quickly.... Find a way to lie, cheat, and steal enough ISK to buy a combat ready character. The purchase of characters is fully supported by CCP. I know people who have done this and within 6 months of starting the game had 50 million SP characters.

In general though, EVE is for the planner, the schemer, and is intended to be long term investment. It is obviously not for all people and that is probably the reason EVE had an average player age much higher than virtually any other MMO.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Also, I should point out that I have many many millions of SP but spend at least 50% of my time in frigates that a new player can fly perfectly inside of 6 months. A massive amount of SP is not needed to effective in EVE, but planning, strategy, and teamwork usually are.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#509 - 2014-04-11 16:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm not talking to you

Yes you are. So we can safely assume that you are the liar here since you are utterly and completely incapable of providing even a shred of evidence to support your claims. It's just some nonsense you've conjured out of thin air.


Well now I am talking to since you've interjected yourself into the middle of a conversation I was having with someone else. Despite that, I "wasn't" talking to you. So you can either read it yourself or you can STFU.

Or continue to annoy me with your incessant yapping like all the other ankle biters.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#510 - 2014-04-11 16:50:49 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
What Karak is getting at is that Jenna doesn't appear to be one of these people as he keeps resorting to "lol u dumb, me not" as a legitimate response.
Considering the content of Karaks' posts, you're dumb is a fairly legitimate response. Jenn is posting with the advantage of actually having a clue, unlike Karak.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#511 - 2014-04-11 16:51:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm not talking to you

Yes you are. So we can safely assume that you are the liar here since you are utterly and completely incapable of providing even a shred of evidence to support your claims. It's just some nonsense you've conjured out of thin air.

this came to mind
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#512 - 2014-04-11 16:51:42 UTC
Hal Safon wrote:

If you want to advance more quickly.... Find a way to lie, cheat, and steal enough ISK to buy a combat ready character. The purchase of characters is fully supported by CCP. I know people who have done this and within 6 months of starting the game had 50 million SP characters.

In general though, EVE is for the planner, the schemer, and is intended to be long term investment. It is obviously not for all people and that is probably the reason EVE had an average player age much higher than virtually any other MMO.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Also, I should point out that I have many many millions of SP but spend at least 50% of my time in frigates that a new player can fly perfectly inside of 6 months. A massive amount of SP is not needed to effective in EVE, but planning, strategy, and teamwork usually are.
Thanks for your post. Could you link or describe the typical fit on the T1 frigates you fly? Thanks.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#513 - 2014-04-11 16:51:46 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Well now I am talking to since you've interjected yourself into the middle of a conversation I was having with someone else. Despite that, I "wasn't" talking to you. So you can either read it yourself or you can STFU.
…and you still can't support your claim other than make vague references to something you hope (but can't show) exists, making you the only apparent liar around here, twice over. Again.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#514 - 2014-04-11 16:52:07 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


Of course you're lying. Because you're stating as a fact what you cannot possibly know to be true.


But I do know it to be true. your posts suggest and demonstrate that you are not suited to EVE Online (like the OP). The evidence of this is your own posting: you struggle with things that the rest of us dealt with easily years ago before CCP implemented this overly generous (and misleading) new player experience.

Had you not posted time and again how you have struggled with EVE, i would not then think that you are unsuited. At the end of the day, it should not matter to you what I think. If you want to throw away money on a game you struggle with, that's your right.
I'm simply demonstrating why we believe as we do: it's because by your own admission on this forum you are struggling with EVE's overly generous new player experience when the rest of us sailed through the harsher new player experience of the past.

If something I'm saying to you is unclear, I'd be happy to clear it up for you. But you will 1st need to demonstrate that you can understand what's being said to you, which you have not in the past.
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#515 - 2014-04-11 16:53:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Of course you're lying. Because you're stating as a fact what you cannot possibly know to be true.


But I do know it to be true. your posts suggest and demonstrate that you are not suited to EVE Online (like the OP). The evidence of this is your own posting: you struggle with things that the rest of us dealt with easily years ago before CCP implemented this overly generous (and misleading) new player experience.
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That's a nice opinion dear, you should probably look up what the definition of one is.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#516 - 2014-04-11 16:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Well now I am talking to since you've interjected yourself into the middle of a conversation I was having with someone else. Despite that, I "wasn't" talking to you. So you can either read it yourself or you can STFU.
…and you still can't support your claim other than make vague references to something you hope (but can't show) exists, making you the only apparent liar around here, twice over. Again.


I'll continue to have my conversation with Jenna Side when/if he decides to join back in it.

If you wish to start one with me, I'll only go forth with you if you read the conversation he and I were having.

Until then, if you're not going to show the courtesy of reading what it is I was talking about before jumping into the middle of it saying that I'm wrong, demanding I paraphrase it for your convenience, you're no one I need to explain myself to.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#517 - 2014-04-11 16:56:10 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Of course you're lying. Because you're stating as a fact what you cannot possibly know to be true.


But I do know it to be true. your posts suggest and demonstrate that you are not suited to EVE Online (like the OP). The evidence of this is your own posting: you struggle with things that the rest of us dealt with easily years ago before CCP implemented this overly generous (and misleading) new player experience.
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That's a nice opinion dear, you should probably look up what the definition of one is.

are you aware of what an observation is?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#518 - 2014-04-11 16:56:36 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Of course you're lying. Because you're stating as a fact what you cannot possibly know to be true.


But I do know it to be true. your posts suggest and demonstrate that you are not suited to EVE Online (like the OP). The evidence of this is your own posting: you struggle with things that the rest of us dealt with easily years ago before CCP implemented this overly generous (and misleading) new player experience.
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That's a nice opinion dear, you should probably look up what the definition of one is.


ok, say that again, in English this time lol.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#519 - 2014-04-11 16:56:53 UTC
If you want to participate in killing stuff, just join a null sec alliance, jump into a cheap frig, split your guns like a bawss and ta daaaa, chance of enemy survival 1%, efficiency 99'98%. See? you don't need many sp to play eve. We all are really good at this game and we like to give lessons to new players who dare to share their thoughts here.

Meh i'm bored of all this crap. If it makes you feel better, i don't like the forum mantras either, and i've been playing this game for years.

Eve is what it is, you cannot change it. Quit or keep playing, it is a win/win.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#520 - 2014-04-11 16:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Of course you're lying. Because you're stating as a fact what you cannot possibly know to be true.


But I do know it to be true. your posts suggest and demonstrate that you are not suited to EVE Online (like the OP). The evidence of this is your own posting: you struggle with things that the rest of us dealt with easily years ago before CCP implemented this overly generous (and misleading) new player experience.

Had you not posted time and again how you have struggled with EVE, i would not then think that you are unsuited. At the end of the day, it should not matter to you what I think. If you want to throw away money on a game you struggle with, that's your right.
I'm simply demonstrating why we believe as we do: it's because by your own admission on this forum you are struggling with EVE's overly generous new player experience when the rest of us sailed through the harsher new player experience of the past.

If something I'm saying to you is unclear, I'd be happy to clear it up for you. But you will 1st need to demonstrate that you can understand what's being said to you, which you have not in the past.


Who says I'm struggling? That's your opinion. Again you've let yourself come to the conclusion without any real evidence other than your own imagined reasons.

Nice "we". And what you're saying isn't "unclear", it's wrong.

I haven't understood? I disagree. If anything, I choose not to believe what it is you tell me, just as you choose not to believe what I tell you. Except what you tell me I should believe I know to be wrong, yet you still put forward as fact: the classification and categorization of my person.

My belief about you: you will lie for the sake of lying, which is demonstrated by you choosing to lie about me without evidence to make your opinion a fact.

Meaning I have actual justification for not believing what it is you choose to tell me, because you demonstrate that you're willing to lie for the sake of your "we".