EVE General Discussion

No, if you want faster training for newbies then ask CCP for it, don't tie it into a p2w mechanic which goes against the ethos of the game.

Accelerated learning is already in the game. Do you even play Eve?

If I may be so petty I rejoice in the safe knowledge that you, too, will have to wait.
I am acquiring a taste for hot newbie tears.

It's called Character Bazaar and it's a much better system than pay-for-SP. Why? Because it's win-win for everybody and it doesn't screw up the competitive sandbox.

Consider PLEX. It's a genius idea because for each player paying 20$ for 700M ISK there's another player using his in-game ISK-making capability to play for free. It's a player-to-player transaction that preserves the competitive sandbox. So nobody is pissed off.

The Character Bazaar is the same: for each player paying billions of ISK (possibly gained through $ for PLEX) for a high SP toon there's another player making ISK from an account he doesn't need anymore (or maybe he purposely created it for sale, again possibly paying the subscription with ISK). Again: player-to-player transaction, the competitive sandbox is preserved, nobody is pissed off.

On the contrary, $ for SP without a player-to-player transaction would mess up the competitive sandbox ($ going to CCP but no asset (PLEX) injected into the EVE economy) and royally pss off the existing player base, because they would get nothing out of it.

Can't wait to see OP's rebuttal to this

OP, it is simply because they are trying to help you out so you just might find enjoyment in the game. This game is quite complex. I have been playing for just over a year and STILL there are many things I have not even begun to fathom, but since the beginning I have learned a LOT from all the others around me in the game and yes, it has taken a LONG time to get where I am skill wise and there are still goals I am working towards now. But to me that is part of the fun and challenge of the game.

In the end, what I don't quite get is you keep saying all of these "things" they keep listing for you to do with low skill points is not what you "want" to do. I am quite curious, what is it you "want" to do that you cannot right now? YOu have not made mention of the "what" so please indulge me and do tell!

Also, in actuality, they are being quite gracious to you atm...I am quite surprised to tell you the truth.

In the end EvE is what you make of it, if you cannot find any enjoyment there is no choice but to move on.

Good luck in your journey's!

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Op pointed out the obvious, how the skill tree works, then it's up to him if he waits or play the game while the skills are running. it's only a game you wait to play if you choose to.

Relevant - yes, required? no. I'd argue that you have a better chance whatever you pick.



Not really, T1 ships have seen a big buff compared to T2. I also doubt you could back this claim up with statistics.



Only if you take the bait. Besides, BNI have demonstrated more than once what a swarm of newbies can do to capitals.



Wherever players are based has no relevance to their prowess.




My main has surpassed 100M skill points, coincidentally. This is my newb alt, time flies huh.

BNI have demonstrated nothing other than that its still possible to blob people with frigates, which is nothing new. Also, do you think the game has enough player capacity for multiple BNI's? what if you don't want to be in BNI? what if what you want is small gang pvp?

You clearly have not understood any of my points and how SP are relevant to them, and your only valid retort is the BNI one, which applies in a very specific circumstance. T1 Cruisers are amazing now and great fun, good luck vs sentry ishtar fleet with your t1 cruiser gang though unless their FC seriously messes up. Reship to deal with them? alright newbro's hop in your navy apocs!

Power Projection is directly linked on more pilots having access to capitals and being able to fly them- a big factor in this is skill points.

The problem is not that you can't do things with low skill points, it is the gap between doing those things and doing the more advanced versions of those things.

Lets take a completely hypothetical example that definitely wasn't me.

Player X likes pvp. He finds people to show him how to pvp, and pvp's alot. After a month of being a hero tackle newb and thinking that was dead exciting, he develops a love for stealth bombers and covert ops. He hot drops a few players with his black ops battleship friends, and decides he wants to be a hunter killer with his own black ops battleship.


Oh. What does he do then? continue flying his bomber while he endures 4 months of skill training? Cyno Theory 5, Recon 5, Battleship 5, Large guns 5, Jump Cal 5.

He know's he is good enough to be a hunter killer and use his blops, he wants to do it, his friends want him to do it, the game physically wont let him.

His only solution is to buy another character that can already do that, but maybe he doesn't want too? maybe he likes his characters name and that kind of thing is important too him?

Should he do something different for those 4 months? Like what? all his training time is devoted to a very specific activity, anything else he trains just pushes that goal further back.


Does that person carry on playing eve, subbing to wistfully look at people doing the thing he wants to do for months on end? Or does he just move on and not give CCP anymore money.

This is what it always comes down to with most of you.

Thinking it's your place to dictate who this game is and isn't for.


You're like mothers. You think just because you've had a child, you get to have a greater say in how things are suppose to be.

"As a mother"