EVE General Discussion

Yes, I expect you to take me seriously. I don't need your narrow minded opinion though, plenty of people have expressed one already - so why don't YOU biomass. ALSO, YOUR MUM...and...YOU SMELL....and GO BACK TO WoW...and GENERIC INSULT#678

I don't buy characters, but If I did, it would be a random alt in an npc corp I used to post on the forum with.

Your confusing narrow mindedness with common sense.

If you want players to have access to everything from day one then you might as well just completely do away with skills then.

+3 on that post!

OP - If you joined up with these guys, you wouldn't have time to worry about your SP. You would be out having a blast with their content creation as well as creating your own content. And I know that this has nothing to do with what your OP was about.....(I think something about waiting to play) but if you joined up with that outfit....your wait would be over.

Honestly....I do believe I understand the point you are making....but I'm afraid you aren't understanding the point most other have made. The SP doesn't matter. Its the content you create or participate in with the SP you have.

At the risk of attracting a wild tippia to appear and whoop my ass again. I still see no issues with a paid acceleration, i don't like the idea of plex (usd) for sp but if someone wants to spend $20-$40 extra per month to double-triple their training speed i don't see how it hurts anyone or unbalances the game. It doesn't quite solve the wait to play but it would surely improve it.

The way eve sp works is quite brilliant in the fact that if you specialize in a certain area you can quite easily catch any 10 year vet in that given field.

What i think a lot of these white knight defenders seem to forgot is how long it takes to train your basic support skills and take it for granted.

To those saying "you can play from day 1 here is a list of 20 things you can do". I would counter with
if i'm willing to purchase a plex any sort of pve (missions/exploration/ratting/anoms) become pointless as the 12k isk i get per level 1 mission or bounty tick from frig kills is bullshit compared to the 700mil i have in the bank.

If i branch out into pvp it will take me even longer to achieve my goal of flying a battleship while i train up small frigs and small guns for pvp. Not to mention i can't use implants.

Manufacturing takes a huge amount of skills to be competitive,

mining runs into the same issues as pve where it just isn't worth it at low sp.

Sitting in a station spamming lousy contracts to scam people with isn't exactly fun.

Suicide Ganking can ruin your character and still requires a large amount of dedicated skills.

It leaves you with very few options as a low sp pilot, usually things reserved for alts such as salvage *****, pvp scout, l4 leecher (if you find a nice corp) or chat room. The best thing you can do is learn the mechanics but lets be honest eve isn't exactly a hard game especially if you want to primarily pve.

Since you are so familiar with WoW, maybe we can meet up and play together? you can show me the ropes

I would, but you'd cry too much when you realise you don't get an epic shiny mount from day one, so I'd rather not.

99% of the stuff on the forums is useless and irrelevant, particularly on GD, so I'm not sure if I see your point.

In EVE you start with the same 5000 isk and noob ship everyone else does.

In Chess, both players start playing at the same time and thus have the same resources. You did not start at the same time as others (nor did I) so the expectation that you'd be gifted the same resources for arriving late is foolish.

You should look a little harder, having a large amount of SP is one thing, knowing what to do with it is another thing entirely. The only thing that such a thing would achieve is newbie players who tried to buy their way into a BS getting instwtfbbq'd by more experienced players, possibly on newbie alts, in smaller ships, and then posting on the forums that it shouldn't be possible for that to happen, especially if it happens in highsec.

True.

False, we had a far longer grind for those skills, we know how long it used to take, and we know that it's far quicker to train them to a reasonable level now. Learning skills used to be a thing, and they sucked up an inordinate amount of time to be able to train other skills at the rate a newbie can currently train them

Bullshit, this character is sat on a sizable wallet, my 2 month old NPC corp alt is way more fun to fool around with, its ships, clones and implants are cheap, and given her low skills I have to actually think about what I'm doing with her.

Cybernetics 1 takes 21 minutes to train, you have no excuse for not being able to use implants. You're far better off learning to PvP in those smaller ships, if you could hop straight into a battleship you'd die in very short order, and then complain about it. Just like real life, you start at the bottom and work your way up.

you're doing it wrong.

sure if you want *perfect* skills it's 200 days of training, but you don't need level V in all skills to do something effectively

I was flying a battleship and doing L4's with T2 tank inside of 2 months. which was about the time I had the skill to actually do L4's

let me repeat, you're doing it wrong.