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EVE: the Game you Wait to Play

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Big Lynx
#361 - 2014-04-11 10:35:45 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:

That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. Gosh. It's nice to have friends online, isn't it.


Are you Gevlon or Lukas Kell's alt? just curious, because of your narrow minded verbal diarrhea.

Oooooh... an impressive first post in the thread. Juicy, and full of on-topic content. Tell me, do you always dazzle with such insights, or was this just dumb luck?


Oooooh... butthurt?! gevlon or lukas? hmm. Big smile
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#362 - 2014-04-11 10:57:32 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I was thinking this thread was going to be a parting shot.

Or a drive by.

Instead looks like OP went all nutjob needing to control how others think of him and felt it necessary to wage a 14 hour sit-in to show he's not mad, sad, or affected.

Because that's always the best course of action to take when you're trying to prove to someone that you don't really care about their opinions.


To spend 14 hours arguing with them.

Go to sleep HO


Glad to see you're coming round to see the light. If I recall correctly you did more or less the same with your moral high ground spiel the other week.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#363 - 2014-04-11 11:04:38 UTC
This is bullshit man.

I'm trying to log in but the server is down.

So that means OP was right guys, right now, Eve is: the Game I Wait to Play.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#364 - 2014-04-11 11:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Medalyn Isis
Karak Kashada wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
*Hobbles in on his cane and pulls up a seat*

Obligitory TL;DR.. no that should be "Too damn old in eve, and don't give a crap"

I have been here for 10 bloody years. So I was playing eve before you even knew what a jove was. Back when Jove were CCP and we hoped we could eventually play them. *Glares at ccp*

So a few things, 1) What the hells is with all the whine threads about skill points and waititng lately? I seriously don't under stand it. Are you all alts of the same dude or something?

2) You clearly have ZERO idea how the game works. None, zip, noda. Let me explain, and this will be very simple. I have 120m skill points(yes low for 10 years, no implants, sue me), and a few days ago, I died to someone under a year.. twice.

3) You are looking at the game completely wrong. EvE is not WoW in space, EvE is not what Star Citizen thinks it will be, EvE is not GD checkers. EvE is a game of choices, opportunity, planning, and chess. If you don't have the mind for chess, eve is not for you.

4) I can prolly list off the top of my head about 20 things you can easily do in eve whithen one single day of training. Maybe a week max. They are:

1) mining
2) Refnining
3) mission running
4) belt ratting
5) Ninja Salvage
6) Piracy (yup you can gank pitates in a damn frig)
7) Gate Camping
8) Cyno operator
9) CEO
10) Explorer
11) Worm Hole worker (can easily do a c1 solow in a cruiser/bc, takes maybe 2-4 weeks of training)
12) Scaming
13) Trader
14) Builder
15) Scientist
16) Scout
17) Tackler
18) Bounty Hunter
19) AFK Cloaker
20) Basic logistics and EW

5) I just listed 20 task, you can do, easily, from my ass. If I had tiem to research more I could put down 100 more. The problem is not that eve is a 'wait to play' game, the problem is you. You have no imagination and you are looking at things like huge fleet fights and going 'ooooh that's ALL I want to do' Thus limiting what you can do.

That's it in a nut shell. You are looking at eve completely wrong. Because of that, you will never see the potential for what you can do now. So what if you can't jump into a T2 battle ship with T2/faction gear. This is not WoW, STG, STO, etc. Faction and Tech 2 != win. If you can not fly or know your ship you will die. The linerar training is for this reason. Its the same with Real life, just because you take a month of karate you should not be able to beat a 10th degree black belt. However, if you have someone who has just jumped into being trained and has a black belt he did not earn, you as a white or yellow belt who have taken traning should easily ship his ass.

One more exsample, just because I know how to drive a pinto doenslt mean I can drive for NASCAR.

Stop looking at eve likes its WoW, because its not. If you can not do that, then you will fail in eve and should give me yoru stuff now and return to whatever mmo you came from.

Change your thinking, as the issue is you, not eve.

Well, I have to disagree with your vaunted knowledge here. The point of the OP is specific and valid, even without your veteran approval. Blink And, from your response, I cannot agree that you understood the point.

We understood your post, we have seen countless posts repeating exactly the same things many times.

Although the fact that you cannot provide any details, and then you keep merely repeating that everyone cannot understand you, indicates to the fact that you yourself do not have any coherent argument as to what exactly it is that you don't like about eve.

You are simply thrashing around in the dark because you decided you don't like having to wait to train for skills, not listening when everyone is telling you that you don't need to wait to train skills.
Big Lynx
#365 - 2014-04-11 11:40:21 UTC
@Medalyn

Don't waste your energy mate. We don't deserve Karak. He is ... beyond EvE Online. Hail to Karak!
Robertis Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#366 - 2014-04-11 11:47:55 UTC
Wait to play? for you more like wait to grow an imagination
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#367 - 2014-04-11 11:55:22 UTC
This game has survived for many years. If you don't like it that is understandable, it's not everyones cup of tea, but the fact that we are past the 10 year mark and going strong tells me the devs have a clue what they are doing. I would suggest trying the game again sometime and perhaps you will see it differently. Bunnie sure takes breaks and each time I come back things have that new car smell all over again.
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#368 - 2014-04-11 11:58:48 UTC
So let's close this great episode with the title "EVE: the Game you Wait to Play" also known as "EVE: Why can't I power level my char to max skill in a week" of OP's new series about how to make EVE a better game by making it more like all the other MMOs who try to be WOW and fail at it.

Join us again in a few months for the next episode with the provocative title: "EVE: The game that is unbalanced" where OP rages about how unbalanced it is that a noob low SP char in a cruiser can kill his maxed "epic gear" fitted mission Navy Raven.
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#369 - 2014-04-11 12:01:41 UTC
This whole 'but you can do lots of things on day 1' mantra being perpetuated over and over again by condescending vets with perfect level 5 skills is really inaccurate and tiresome.


Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#370 - 2014-04-11 12:01:51 UTC
EvE is only hard in the sense that water is hard when you hit it at 245 mph.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
Solecist Project
#371 - 2014-04-11 12:02:12 UTC
Marie Hartinez wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:


woohooo *swings and circles* ^^


Thank you for the dance, but alas, I must bid you good night.....

**brings Solecist closer so to steal a good night kiss**

Sighs....

Now I'm a lesbian....



lol

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#372 - 2014-04-11 12:08:01 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
This whole 'but you can do lots of things on day 1' mantra being perpetuated over and over again by condescending vets with perfect level 5 skills is really inaccurate and tiresome.



Well, it's still true though.

There are quite a few things you can do and some are actually completely independent of skillpoints.

The biggest issue is CCP not actually communicating them
and thus making people go the stupid PvE route without them
actually understanding the game and playing solo.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#373 - 2014-04-11 12:08:11 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
This whole 'but you can do lots of things on day 1' mantra being perpetuated over and over again by condescending vets with perfect level 5 skills is really inaccurate and tiresome.

If you are a sheep with no imagination, then true, you need the correct skills to be able to follow the herd.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#374 - 2014-04-11 12:09:54 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Koz Katral wrote:
This whole 'but you can do lots of things on day 1' mantra being perpetuated over and over again by condescending vets with perfect level 5 skills is really inaccurate and tiresome.



Well, it's still true though.

There are quite a few things you can do and some are actually completely independent of skillpoints.

The biggest issue is CCP not actually communicating them
and thus making people go the stupid PvE route without them
actually understanding the game and playing solo.

Well most players read up on the game a bit beforehand. I remember reading for information for about a week before even creating the trial account. It is a steep but fun learning curve. But the people who usually have these types of complaints are usually the kind of people that like to be spoon fed WOW style.
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#375 - 2014-04-11 12:13:33 UTC
Actually my biggest issue with the slow acquisition of skill points, is that you can learn, read and overcome the learning curve a lot faster than you can actually partake in the activities you want to do.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#376 - 2014-04-11 12:15:01 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
Actually my biggest issue with the slow acquisition of skill points, is that you can learn, read and overcome the learning curve a lot faster than you can actually partake in the activities you want to do.

What exactly did you want to do as a new player then which you were not able to do?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#377 - 2014-04-11 12:19:53 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
This whole 'but you can do lots of things on day 1' mantra being perpetuated over and over again by condescending vets with perfect level 5 skills is really inaccurate and tiresome.




Do you think those vets just materialized out of thin air? Or do you think they were themselves once newfolks with next to no skills points and 5000 isk just like everyone else?
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#378 - 2014-04-11 12:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Koz Katral
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Koz Katral wrote:
Actually my biggest issue with the slow acquisition of skill points, is that you can learn, read and overcome the learning curve a lot faster than you can actually partake in the activities you want to do.

What exactly did you want to do as a new player then which you were not able to do?


Fly carriers, fly black ops battleships, fly all the tech 3 cruisers, fly bhaalgorns, fly a vindi - sprinkle it with chocolate drops, fly a dread, have perfect large gun skills, have perfect missile skills. PVP on a level I knew I could in the ships I wanted too, instead of playing second class citizen. Pretty much that.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Koz Katral wrote:
This whole 'but you can do lots of things on day 1' mantra being perpetuated over and over again by condescending vets with perfect level 5 skills is really inaccurate and tiresome.




Do you think those vets just materialized out of thin air? Or do you think they were themselves once newfolks with next to no skills points and 5000 isk just like everyone else?



The huge difference is now, that as the more time passes, the wider the skill gap becomes - the harder it is for new players to come and compete on the same level.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#379 - 2014-04-11 12:20:35 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
This is bullshit man.

I'm trying to log in but the server is down.

So that means OP was right guys, right now, Eve is: the Game I Wait to Play.

HA! the time stamp on this Big smile

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#380 - 2014-04-11 12:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Bunnie Hop wrote:
This game has survived for many years. If you don't like it that is understandable, it's not everyones cup of tea, but the fact that we are past the 10 year mark and going strong tells me the devs have a clue what they are doing. I would suggest trying the game again sometime and perhaps you will see it differently. Bunnie sure takes breaks and each time I come back things have that new car smell all over again.


Very much this.

The problem here( as usual) is a matter of personal choice,s not a broken game.

Most of us started playing the game when it was MUCH less newbie friendly and yet here we are still. Yet here come people from "other MMOs" (lol) who come into a game with crimewatch, safeties, a 'no messing with the newbs in the noob systems' policy, free ships, a hand-holding new player experience and other kinds of things and yet the still complain that the game is too hard/takes too long/I can't catch up ect.

Which is why I've been saying for years: it's a dumb idea for EVE to go for 'more subs' at the expense of QUALITY players who actually can cut it in a non-thempark MMO. EVE does and will always need new blood, but dumbing down the game to invite more "other mmo" players is nothing more than a recipe foe the wrong (whiney, uncreative, greedy) types of people to come in and demand changes because "that's how other games do it.