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unsubbing till off grid boosting removed

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#21 - 2014-04-10 18:33:02 UTC
Why aren't one of your possible 12 characters an off grid booster?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2014-04-10 18:41:47 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
Here's a suggestion. If you have 4 accounts, why don't you have your own OGB helping you out? Just keep it on a second monitor and warp it to another bookmark when you can afford to shut it off for a few seconds.
…in fact, let's get down to the main detail here: why do you have 4 accounts?
Irsam Samri
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-04-10 18:45:34 UTC
I'm not angry. off grid boosting isn't the end all be all that would fix Eve for me, but it's a big issue that would result in a revamped and rejuvenated experience. Sometimes I fight people without OGB and sometimes with. The argument that combat ships would be the primary target is laughable since they have some of the strongest tanks in the game sub capital ships.

I can actually empathize with the 200+ man fleets, in those cases, yes your OGB would be primary. I guess I can only speak for small gang and solo
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#24 - 2014-04-10 18:46:22 UTC
I understand that you are leaving.

Obligatory stuffz post.

But, seriously...

I need your stuffz.

I am stuffz broke.

I also would like your corp.

That would be solid.

And if you could just pay the PLEX fee and transfer the characters over, that would be pretty awesome, too.

Alternatively, I know a guy, who can get in touch with this one dude, that is cousin to this other guy, who could probably arrange for a "Leaving EvE: Bonus Round Blowout." It could be great fun.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2014-04-10 18:47:31 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jarvin Spoo wrote:
For those of you that are for it - Is there any other benefit to do this other than just 'getting the booster ship/pilot out of harms way while a fight is happening'?

Like logistics and ewar, it's a force multiplier, allowing smaller fleets and lone pilots the opportunity to take on larger opponents.

However, if you bring it on grid, it will be primaried and killed as quickly as possible. That will favour blop tactics. Blop wins.

Thats the best reason I believe they should stay off grid. They aren't safe (though can be very, very difficult to scan down), but at least a blop can't just hit them and then wipeout the rest of the opponent.




We can conclude then that any change against OGB will also require some nerf to BLOPS dropping.


All around I think it would be a good thing to end OGB and nerf the crap out of BLOPS drops.



OGB is proof that when one thing that's OP is left to stand too long, another thing that's OP will be found to counter it, and then to speak of removing one without addressing the other is seen as a kind of heresy.

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Irsam Samri
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-04-10 18:48:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Here's a suggestion. If you have 4 accounts, why don't you have your own OGB helping you out? Just keep it on a second monitor and warp it to another bookmark when you can afford to shut it off for a few seconds.
…in fact, let's get down to the main detail here: why do you have 4 accounts?



I have 2 active at the moment, but I have 2 others that are inactive. When I have all 4 going, I fight on one and farm FW plexes with warp stabs for the others. This is antoher issue that desperately needs to be fixed, but if I can pull in 50 mil an hour semi-afk even WHILE being chased, why would I not do this?
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#27 - 2014-04-10 18:56:46 UTC
Justifying OGB is like admitting you can't win without it. Why not push for OGRR while you are at it?

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#28 - 2014-04-10 18:58:28 UTC
I have an OGB that has everything but FC 5.

I'm 100% for the removal of offgrid boosting.

You unsub so I don't have to.

Thx op

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#29 - 2014-04-10 19:01:12 UTC
Irsam Samri wrote:
I can actually empathize with the 200+ man fleets, in those cases, yes your OGB would be primary. I guess I can only speak for small gang and solo

In small gang and lone pvp pilot, if you bring links on-grid, how many fights are you going to get?

Any opponent that comes to fight you, or that stays to fight you is only going to do so because they already know they can win. They will bring bigger fleets and/or bigger ships to kill you. Either way, you lose as a small gang or lone pilot. Fewer fights and at losing odds.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#30 - 2014-04-10 19:04:37 UTC
Back in the day, you know, before they dumbed down scanning so you barely need a launcher? we would go out and actually try to find these guys, you know, then shoot them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2014-04-10 19:05:27 UTC
Also, why not just hunt down the boosting ships and kill them?
It really comes down to the question of, what would it actually achieve (for small fleets) if the ship is on-grid? If you can't beat the other guy while they're boosted, what makes you think that you'll be able to just because the booster is there too? If you are in a position where you'd be able to kill them, you can already do so.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#32 - 2014-04-10 19:05:45 UTC
Irsam Samri wrote:
...and farm FW plexes with warp stabs for the others.

And nothing of value was lost.

Just for you, I hope they leave OGB just the way it is for another four years.

Hell, I don't even want your stuff now. Just leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2014-04-10 19:09:56 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Justifying OGB is like admitting you can't win without it. Why not push for OGRR while you are at it?


Because OGB makes sense within the type of scifi EvE is

OGRR would not

Saying its unjust and should be removed is like saying that NORAD should be on top of a tower in Germany and not under ground 10,000 miles from any warfront.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#34 - 2014-04-10 19:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Val'Dore wrote:
Justifying OGB is like admitting you can't win without it. Why not push for OGRR while you are at it?

I don't believe that's the case.

Since joining the game 9 months ago I've had access to links when in fleet. We also take logistics. There are only a couple of guys in our regular fleets that have boosting alts, so we have links about 50% of the time on weekend roams. We still win without the links present.

The links though gives us a lot more flexibility. Some slots can be switched out from defensive mods to ewar and/or we can take on opponents with more confidence even if they are larger or in more powerful ships. We often fly frigates in FW areas, but will engage cruiser fleets when we have links for example (we often die then too, but we have fun).

For us, its not a compensation for anything. Its about flexibility and more freedom to engage different targets that we wouldn't otherwise.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#35 - 2014-04-10 21:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
So you think OGB is stupid, and OGB is better.

People really need to use an abbreviation better than "OGB".

OGB = Off-grid boosting
OGB = On-grid boosting

These threads are already painful enough to read.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#36 - 2014-04-10 21:19:49 UTC
While we're at it, let's just get rid of logi altogether. So us unsociable and/or lazy and/or can't-be-arsed-to-commit-to-group-stuff guys can maybe solo pvp.
Serene Repose
#37 - 2014-04-10 21:22:04 UTC
Irsam Samri wrote:
My 4 accounts are expiring. No you cant have my stuff I'll be back when its removed
Which will be never, judging by CCP's rate of admitting they've made horrendous errors in judgment.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-04-10 21:22:35 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Justifying OGB is like admitting you can't win without it. Why not push for OGRR while you are at it?


Because OGB makes sense within the type of scifi EvE is

OGRR would not

Saying its unjust and should be removed is like saying that NORAD should be on top of a tower in Germany and not under ground 10,000 miles from any warfront.


Because everything in EVE behave like in reality right? Why are projectiles from guns able to travel over 200 km withing a single second? How can my secure container hold more than it's own volume within itself?

It's not about what it's like in reality it's about balance. Why is a ship having an influence in combat not on the line of fire like all other ship having an effect on that same fight? It's just as stupid as the drone boat hiding behind a POS shield.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#39 - 2014-04-10 21:26:05 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Which will be never, judging by CCP's rate of admitting they've made horrendous errors in judgment.

Both you & the Op have obviously missed CCP saying for the last two years they would like to remove Off Grid Boosting. And that they are doing investigations into making it happen without melting down the servers like Incarna melted GPU's.
So Op, you are quitting over one of the silliest things around, since CCP are already doing what you want, it's just going to take them some time.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2014-04-10 21:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Because everything in EVE behave like in reality right? Why are projectiles from guns able to travel over 200 km withing a single second? How can my secure container hold more than it's own volume within itself?

It's not about what it's like in reality it's about balance. Why is a ship having an influence in combat not on the line of fire like all other ship having an effect on that same fight? It's just as stupid as the drone boat hiding behind a POS shield.


Ok, I admit, I cocked it by making a real world comparision, I apologise.

But why would ANY of this mean it suddenly makes sense to put a Command and Control Unit at the front in a battle?

Its just a terrible idea, there is no reason why it should be this way.

Either match it with your own, or hunt it down and kill it. What is wrong with that?

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann