Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fully expect some null sec peeps to hate this idea.

At the moment other then visual scouting you have no idea where Supers and Titans are currently being built. All that is required is Sov + ihub with upgrade.

By changing the requirements to Strategic and Indy to 5 it becomes a hell of a lot easier to find the systems which are capable to building them, by default it makes it a lot easier to camp those systems and disrupt the building process.

Will this stop them building built, of course not and nor should it, but it will certainly make a massive difference in how many can be built.

As for the cost, its called supply and demand. Of course it will take time as current ships are destroyed and what ever stocks are available become depleted but at some point you will find that the price will go up significantly.

As the price goes up and the difficulty of construction increases they become more valuable and are thus are less inclined to be used to the extent they are being used now.

Hell at the moment Supers are being used here there and everywhere. To lose a super is no big deal any more. Those who have them get them replaced in days, quite a people are now multi boxing supers they are becoming that common.

As for low sec groups and NPC guys, they will always be Supers and Titans up for sale regardless of difficult they are to be built .

Also life isn't fair and not everybody can have everything so get used to it.

They are already very dependent on other ships. Tell everybody how a super by itself can defend itself against a couple of dictors and a decent size fleet of battle ships + logi?

Hence the wrecking ball fleet, remove the carries and the supers by themselves become nothing but very expensive killmails.

I don't have forum toons. I'm only me... and I'm kind of regretting having a female char.

I sold Solstice Project for PLEX4GOOD and was busy with my grandma being in hospital.

You can ask google for verification, which will point at the charbazarr.

Anyhow... Infinity Ziona... hasn't changed one bit, I see. Obviously knows the game even better than CCP.

You need to get miners into null to raise it to V?

Okay, even although I don't understand how this works... nobody needs to get miners to null.
The people already are there. They can start mining in hundreds on the first day.
There aren't even enough roids to mine for all these people.

Interesting. Not sure if I should waste my time looking up these mechanics...

Btw, do you actually live in nullsec?

Interesting proposal and it would certainly slow supercap building for a while, not to mention the emergent gameplay for all those AFK cloakers sitting in your systems.
Also 24mil units of ore really isn't that much when you need equal amounts of trit for a single capital anyway.

But one thing about this change would be a price hike for supers when you can't just rush to Jita and shop for minerals.

The best way to balance supers is to remove them from the game.

The problem with your proposal and how it would "Stop people from grabbing sov and then immidiatly start building supers" is that... Noone is actualy Doing that.

Most of the people who currently build supers have been doing it for a very very long time. And most of the systems where supers have been built have been held by the same entity for a very very long time. What you are suggesting would not effect GSF, PL, N3, or any other established null entity at all. In case you arn't aware, all of them have renter empires with LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of systems with Industrial Index 5, which could easily be converted to building supers.

All this would do is screw over any new null alliances so that they wouldn't be able to build their own supers for awhile. They would just have to buy them at (probably) grossly inflated prices.

Also, the cat is kinda outa the bag on Super proliferation. Unless you can substantially increase the number of them that die, they are not going anywhere. Lots of people have them, they arn't terribly expensive anymore (between inflation and the fact that prices have dropped), and the pilots that can fly them are plentiful and easily acquired. Titans still have a certain exclusivity, but even those are starting to become pretty common.

DISCLAIMER: No, I don't own a super. I'm lazy, and I spend my money on stupid ships and then lose them. However, I've easily LOST enough ships in the last year, that had I not bought them, I could have purchased a super, just to give you an idea.




This is probably not a good idea

This is a dumb idea. Bombers trying to use torps in a big fleet fight just get insta-poped. Also, Citadel Torps without being in siege do < 1k DPS iirc. So.. Not much better than current torp bombers, with far worse damage application. Giving them the damage bonus from siege would be stupid. 13k DPS frigates? lulwhat?

And regular capitals are pretty much fine right now honestly. There are some minor balence things (archon maybe tanks a bit too hard, niddy could use some more EHP, Pheonix is... well, a pheonix. Rev could maybe use a small DPS bump.), but on the whole regular capitals seem to be in a pretty good place, and so far, the summer expansion won't do anything to hurt this. Carriers will actualy have a reason to use fighters now, which is awsome.

i think the main idea here is: to make breaking of super- construction easier. You know: now you need to kill POS or capture the system.

With Prince's idea all you need is: make miners out of this system. Thus a lot more actions around

Absolutely.

In order to do this we need more BR-s, more supercap ganks, etc. But in order for that to happen, we need supers to stay useful, and relevant, or else they will simply be moved to POSs and inactive holding pilots.