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Request: PVE Arty Stabber Fit
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Mikhael Avraham
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-04-12 22:19:17 UTC
Certainly wasn't planning on looking for one on one fights. Frigates often trump Cruiser in PVP.

Just a route I wanted to try.

Nice thing about EVE: You can never screw up your skills. You just pick new ones and keep going once you've tried something.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#22 - 2014-04-12 22:22:08 UTC
Aducat Ragnarson wrote:

Take Taoist Dragons advice


This man is wise beyond compare! Shocked

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-04-14 02:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Mikhael Avraham wrote:
Certainly wasn't planning on looking for one on one fights. Frigates often trump Cruiser in PVP.

Just a route I wanted to try.

Nice thing about EVE: You can never screw up your skills. You just pick new ones and keep going once you've tried something.


This is not the case at all.

Assault frigates will trump most cruisers 1v1 if flown well and only if it isn't a dual web or neuting fit cruiser.

There are two cases that make a frigate beat out a cruiser in a 1v1. Either the frig pilot is super bossleetpro level bad ass or the cruiser pilot is just straight terrible. Quite often both.

Edited for drunk typing
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#24 - 2014-04-14 09:36:19 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Mikhael Avraham wrote:
Certainly wasn't planning on looking for one on one fights. Frigates often trump Cruiser in PVP.

Just a route I wanted to try.

Nice thing about EVE: You can never screw up your skills. You just pick new ones and keep going once you've tried something.


This is not the case at all.

Assault frigates will trump most cruisers 1v1 if flown well and only if it isn't a dual web or neuting fit cruiser.

There are two cases that make a frigate beat out a cruiser in a 1v1. Either the frig pilot is super bossleetpro level bad ass or the cruiser pilot is just straight terrible. Quite often both.

Edited for drunk typing

Third case is when OGBs get taken into account, fourth case is Amarr ships trying to brawl (does that count as the second case?).

Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Mikhael Avraham wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
Well for making money no luck, no RNG, nothing but cold hard fact analysis the way to go is station trading.

That being said there is still risk. Just not the kind you get when you undock. For me my brain isn't wired for the trading game so I stay out of it.

All that aside you said you are working towards a vaga, and I am wondering what your goals are for that. It is a wise call to not rush into the Hac before you have the right skills for it. That goes without saying. But if isk is your primary goal and missions are your cup'o then the vaga likely isn't the best of the avail options.


Was planning on using the Vagabond for PVP in the Minmatar militia.


Then you have to get out there and start losing ships. PvP is very little to do with the skills you train and a lot to do with practice and experience. Start with frigs and dessies. Orbit buttons in FW and make money. Die to whatever enters your plex. Learn. Then repeat over and over. One day you will win. Then you find a ship that fits you and you will start winning more. Then when you buy a vaga and derp it into the nearest blob you will at least know why you died. Staying in high sec denies you a side of the game where the most fun can be had.


Actually pretty good advice. The ISK gained from offensive plexing (even in low tier due to the lower supply) is probably a fair bit better than L3's, and you can get PVP experience out of it too. Grab a cheaply fitted T1 frigate, hell, grab 50 of them. Find a station either in lowsec or near, hunt buttons, get money, get killed, get kills, get experience, profit. And remember, always warp to FW complexes at 10km.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#25 - 2014-04-14 12:24:23 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:


Then you have to get out there and start losing ships. PvP is very little to do with the skills you train and a lot to do with practice and experience. Start with frigs and dessies. Orbit buttons in FW and make money. Die to whatever enters your plex. Learn. Then repeat over and over. One day you will win. Then you find a ship that fits you and you will start winning more. Then when you buy a vaga and derp it into the nearest blob you will at least know why you died. Staying in high sec denies you a side of the game where the most fun can be had.


Actually pretty good advice. The ISK gained from offensive plexing (even in low tier due to the lower supply) is probably a fair bit better than L3's, and you can get PVP experience out of it too. Grab a cheaply fitted T1 frigate, hell, grab 50 of them. Find a station either in lowsec or near, hunt buttons, get money, get killed, get kills, get experience, profit. And remember, always warp to FW complexes at 10km.


When i started Eve 8 years ago, I bought 18 identical Rifters 1-jump out of Losec. Best decision I've made in 8 years....
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