EVE General Discussion

What really needs to happen is they need to set goals and then stick to those goals. Expansions should build on previous mechanics not completely rewrite them.

We started the game in 2003 with torpedo's that shot out to 100km or so and today we should still have torpedo's that shoot to 100k or so.

Same goes for the all the random, annoying and sometimes ridiculous changes that occur. Build on it, don't rebuild it constantly.

Are you kidding?

Back in my day, the Raven could 1 shot any frigate with torps from 80km+! That same raven could hit 2.5km/s! They've certainly changed that!

And the only ships that shoot torps anywhere near those ranges get huge bonuses to missile velocity and flight time. Maybe you can do it in a Golem, but certainly not in a raven. Stealth bombers have great torp range, but that is because they used to fire cruise missiles (for their improved range) and when CCP rebalanced them to fire torps, which do more damage, they wanted to maintain the long range property.

Put torps on any non bonused ship and they're unlikely to go anywhere near 100km. And they certainly don't annihilate frigates in 1 salvo anymore.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.



You missed the whole point. They should still shoot to 100k because they did when the game was implemented. Like I said you build on the game, you don't rewrite it.

Torps were long range high damage missiles, but they were slow, if a frig was stupid enough to allow itself to get popped by one then it was doing stuff wrong.

Building on the torp thing would have been implementing sig and speed tanking which they did which of course would have resulted in torps no longer instapopping.

Is that gimp reference a personal attack?

Compliment. Continue!

The cyno doomsday is a little different to a years old functioning weapons system.

Also they didn't step on the toes of cruise missiles, cruise are very fast, have twice the range, are easier to fit and do more damage to smaller ships. Range is irrelevant given they're totally different weapons systems.

Torps were arbitrarily nerfed to have almost as poor range as rockets for no reason other than blasters were short range high dps therefore all high damage dps weapons must be now short range. Irrespective of blasters and all other weapons being instant while torps took a long time to hit and could be out run easily.

As a card-carrying member and representative of the 16M-Leaderhsip-SP cabal, I approve of this very silly and completely ineffectual change.

…it is also completely devoid of any connection to reality or facts or logic or reasoning. It assumes a secret plan towards some strange goal, neither of which have any support in what actually goes on in the game. That's why it's just a pretty silly conspiracy theory.

…aside from the very get-go, and aside from how they were intended to work. For a long time, they obsoleted numerous ships that they had no business even being near, for no particular reason other than “omg, we must make people want them”. They were destined for a proper rebalance from the second they were released because they fundamentally failed to live up to their purpose.

The real issue is this following cycle:


1. Update a ship or release new ship that is marginally (say 5%) better at a particular job like mishing or bluesec blobbing or tournaments

2. Because basically EVE is a spreadsheet game and 5% is enough to matter, the updated/new ship becomes a ship of choice and everyone spends a few months training relevant skills

3. Eventually the new ship begins to dominate PvE or fleet doctrines or whatever and forum trolls begin to complain it is OP.

4. CCP then nerf the ship to the point of being useless.

Caldari is too Stronk!

Tippia, you are an inspiration to us all.

Your logic is so good I am going to base a character off you in my next Star Trek: The Next Generation / My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic crossover fanfiction.