Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sometimes the kill is the goal. and thats ok.

say u were driven by revenge to blow up the targets ship and pod him, or ur targeting that ship because its pimped out with officer mods. If the game was designed where a ship could choose to never encounter combat, then there would be no risk in fitting officer mods in ur ship, there would be no vengeance unless ur target allowed u to attack him.

sometimes denying ppl an activity is insufficient. Sometimes targeting the char and/or his ship is the goal. and yes, thats ok.

First page is full of trolls who think having to log out of the game to catch targets is a good mechanic. Please get back under your bridge.

However, logging off/on in space makes you disappear/reappear into/out of nothingness. And since that is basically out of the game mechanics, it's not good. People shouldn't (de)-materialize in the middle of space. Especially since it's quite often used to make your enemy think your fleet has only half the members that it actually has. There's no way ingame to determine how many people are logged off and that's the flaw.
Not so sure what would be a good fix for that. Removing local certainly isn't a solution at all. Maybe have a list of who logged off in system outside a FF or Station in last hour or so would do it.

Local does not need countering. It is balanced as is. Cloaks are just plain broke (because "at the end of the day, ur never 100% safe either way. This is a good thing unless you cloak.), which is a different discussion. People want to link local to their favorite broke toys in fear that they may actually have to experiance danger in their hunts.

OP has a point. If log on can be used to safely aggress, then log off should allow safe escape--- if not, then not. People hunting ships designed to evade should be prepared to be evaded. No one is owed a chance to shoot at defenseless ships. If a pilot chooses to enter space in a defenseless ship and fails to pay attention, he deserves to explode, but his ships defense should be given the chance to function by the game, failure should be on the part of the pilot--- unless you want to advocate shields and armor shutting off as soon as you aggress a mining or industrial ship and mining lasers being able to damage the hull.

The danger of hunting is inherent. u cannot shoot anyone without them having the ability to shoot back. THAT is balance.
Some ships are terrible at fighting, so they fly rather than fight. This is great. There is nothing wrong with having the option to retreat. And no one is saying that a system where u are able to detect incoming bad guys in advance is broken.

The supreme omnipotence of local as an advanced warning system or hunting guide however, makes awareness a trivial effort. on all sides and is perfect. The supreme cloak is also a trivial effort for all sides and perfect. U can use it to hunt, u can use it to hide, just like local. As i have said to u before Mike, whatever arguments there are for local, there are the exact same arguments for cloaks and vice versa, they are quite metaphorically ying and yang.

Log on traps are a bit more effort, but also quite potent. There is no way to detect anyone who is logged off. the best thing u can do is run a locator agent on him. Whether u like it or not, they remain to exist because of eachother, they are all part of the same broken process that is intel gathering and hunting.

no, its not part of the game, not quite intentional. but neither was the potency of local intentional.

all of it, absolutely all of it, is less than ideal. A more sophisticated way of gathering intel that is not so perfect would affect all sides, hunters and hunted, as being able to avoid detection is both useful to hunter and hunted. It would also open up avenues to address everything else related to this god awful mess.

But if u think one should nerfed before the others, u are wrong.

id say half the time it takes a BS to align from stationary is how long it takes someone coming through a gate to load the system. even trying to be generous to u with the term extreme, a battleship is quite safe at being 10au away. dnt know what timing is needed to evade.

yes local should be replaced with something that still has the ability to give some kind of an advanced warning, with a few things that differentiate it from local. i.e.

- is not passive, infallible and instant
- does not provide 100% certainty of numbers or friend or foe at any and all distances.
- More information comes more frequently and with greater accuracy with more effort.
- Cloaks are not immediately apparent but are detectable, and can be pin pointed by some anti-cloaky device/ship

the system should be made all the more potent by players working together. Patrols and making effort to keep baddies out ur systems would be useful and effective, but not provide certainty.

Until something more appropriate and balanced can be made, things like log on traps are a thing, and CCP says they are fine. Honestly how else do u expect an ambush to work with the current system?

To be honest this whole thread is someone complaining that they got killed by a mechanic that isn't 'broken'.

It's very easy to avoid a log off trap, there are watchlists, there is the simple method of not going to the same site, at the same range, from the same vector. If you don't watchlist people you can scout the enemy to make sure they have moved on instead of hiding in a pos/ outpost (inties are pretty much uncatchable). If you die to a log in trap it's because you were lazy and not cautious enough. Yes, logging off might be cheesy but people want kills and it's near impossible unless someone is afk long enough for you to locate them and get a tackle. No you should not be safe because you watched local, you were predictable in your actions and screwed up.

The system is fine, there is no need to change it so people appear in local before they appear etc.; Local is overpowered as it is.

p.s. i have done log off traps when i had timers and got kills. If they had d-scanned they would know i'd d/ced or were gonna do a trap. But no, they watched local and paid for it. Local reliance is a disease.

sometimes the kill is the goal. and thats ok.

say u were driven by revenge to blow up the targets ship and pod him, or ur targeting that ship because its pimped out with officer mods. If the game was designed where a ship could choose to never encounter combat, then there would be no risk in fitting officer mods in ur ship, there would be no vengeance unless ur target allowed u to attack him.

sometimes denying ppl an activity is insufficient. Sometimes targeting the char and/or his ship is the goal. and yes, thats ok.

completely wrong;
2) Loggoffski/loggonski
Not an exploit at all, and never has been. We won’t punish people for logging out of and into the game (even if they happen to log in all at about the same time and location that happens to be inconvenient for you).

not trying to bash on you, just trying to fix a misconception


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