Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, then calmly and simply :) -I do think you don't know what you're talking about: Coming from a background of extensive knowledge of poco based conflict in lowsec over the last two and a half years:


This:



is extremely incorrect.


This:



is horrendously incorrect.



GIven that these tenets are:



and the basis of your proposal, I can only conclude that it's invalid.

Furthermore - even if these points were irrelevant or accurate, as I previously mentioned - at 300k isk a day income, pocos take on average 1 year to make back their 100mil investment. If this change was implemented, significantly more work would need to be done to recover the same amount of isk (unless you propose a massive tax hike) making pocos completely pointless as an investment and rendering them unused. There would be no more conflict over them as seen above, as none of them would be worth taking.
I think presumably not owning any/many pocos has led you to massively overestimate the passive income they provide - as a group we primarily own them BECAUSE of the content that they generate - their introduction had a huge positive impact on lowsec (and subsequently highsec pvp) - your proposal will remove this and considering your proposal is based on the statement that this conflict does not exist, your proposal is invalid anyway.


Don't forget to include Molden Heath, Aridia, The Forge, Placid etc in your survey. Lowsec is a lot bigger than you apparently think if you think that one group even owns a tiny portion of the pocos.

One final point - pocos do not provide - they have to be used by players - what little isk they generate does not come out of thin air - pocos have massively increased peaceful player interaction in lowsec as well as violent interaction, as PI users negotiate tax rates, favourable standings etc with local poco owners. Comparing them to poses which bring in orders of magnitude more isk, and require interacting with 30 times less than you are proposing, is again, laughable.


I would love you to come back with evidence that shows that large alliances own almost all the pocos in lowsec (there are 6945 viable planets in lowsec btw - i'll wait) and that there is no conflict over them (that's a lot of fake killmails).

yep, approximately 16 months worth - what evidence do you have to doubt this?



This is not a very low number! Do you expect all pvp in empire to be over pocos or something?! PVP occurs at all scales and a 1.5% transfer rate over a month is huge. Considering the amount of empire systems that are empty it is also not a representative number. (It will be significantly higher for populated systems).



Yep, that's us - those are our 2 main regions, they are also the regions we live in. This is 2 out of a lot of regions in lowsec, 2 regions is not indicative - I can tell you this for sure as I actually have surveyed 90% of lowsec...




CCP have consistently introduced multiple methods of gaining passive income - like pocos they are all balanced - the more passive, the less they make. This harks back to how much less pocos make compared to poses.



again - the huge amount of conflict pocos have caused shows this isn't the case.(please don't just average out the last 3 days out of about 900 that pocos have existed)

I think you are missing a bet. remember we have siphon units. that means if this were done, and the siphon units were given that capacity, you could set it off station, cloak it so its not seen without someone actually looking and have it remove some of the items. IF the big alliances aren't watching these systems properly, they might not find out that they are losing items. IF a smaller group is watching it, they would see when one of people from that alliance is nearby and shut it down so that no one would notice.

I would prefer a deployable smuggling dropship that allowed you to drop/retrieve goods planetside. You go suspect if you deploy it within targeting range of the POCO or any of the owning corps members.

Additional deployable sensors could be deployed by the owners. Tur smuggling into a skill, finding the sensor deadzones and dodging patrols.

That way if a group take the POCO's and charge reasonable tax they will be used as capsuleers are intrinsically lazy and want to do everything in minimal clicks/time. If a group charge silly tax or someone just doesn't want to pay it they can then smuggle. If the POCO owner doesn't mount patrols or monitor their customs space effectively they lose out


Smuggling this way would come into it's own in losec areas where the POCO's have been hiked to silly tax rates.

a buddy of mine came across an interbus POCO a couple days ago.

PI is quite passive income, so i dnt see a problem with POCO's being quite or entirely passive themselves. at least u can shoot a POCO. PI is literally untouchable right now.

The potential for conflict and changing hands is there. They do get shot at, and ppl do defend them.

Initially smaller corporations took over smaller numbers of COs and put up POCO in high sec. I haven't done much checking but locally it does seem like alliances not based in high sec are wardeccing those corps and destroying their POCOs to put up their own. I'm not sure the situation is ideal or that much can or will be done about it.

This is a good starting point. With some work, it'd be an interesting change.