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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Cruisers

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Jenn aSide
Dreddit
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#1281 - 2014-06-04 15:01:34 UTC
NewGit wrote:

There is absolutely no way that going from 5 drones to 2 allows me to "better apply damage", especially when my drone bay has been reduced by 75% leaving me with considerably fewer choices in size/type of drones available.


Demonstrating that you don't know what "apply damage" means. Any medium drone will apply damage better than a sentry to everything smaller that a battleship.
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Not to mention fewer replacements if I do lose any.
Not to mention that 2 mediums die a lot quicker than 5 heavies.


Only if you don't know what you are doing. I've been flying the new Gila since before the patch (on sisi) and it's marvelous. Things MELT so quickly it's not even funny, and now my gila doesn't have to either sit still or fly back tp pick up sentries.

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Not to mention that 2 bonused medium drones putting out 623 dps now is somehow supposed to be better than the 842 (drone) dps I had previously.


It is better (again, for any ship smaller than a cruiser)

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Good thing my 2 little drones can fly further now, especially as my missile range has been cut in half.

Oh well, could be worse. Imagine if they'd actually nerfed it ! Shocked


Your problem (and this problem is shared by a lot of people who post in these kinds of ship threads) is that you are inflexible and looking for something to hate. For those of us who are not like that, the last 24 hours or palying with Guristas ships on TQ has been freaking marvelous. There is actually a reason to buy augmented drones now, no more being tied down to sentry drones or having to watch slow and weak heavies go pop (not that this was happening to me, I know how to hold aggro).

The biggest advantage i've seen so far is not EVER having to swap drones. heavies and sentries were crap for killing frigs (real player or npc), where as with this new Gila, the same Bonused mediums that melt big ships also make short work of small ships too.

Sorry you haven't figured out how freaking cool all this is. You can contract me you Gila for Jita price and I'll accept.
Joe Boirele
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1282 - 2014-06-04 15:32:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
There is actually a reason to buy augmented drones now


And that's one of the upsides that are missed. You don't have to buy five augmented hammerheads, with the Gila you can get the same effect (and more!) of five, all at 40% of the cost.

Enemies are just friends who stab you in the front.

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!"

William S Kane
Contact Special Circumstances
#1283 - 2014-06-04 17:51:41 UTC
The new Gila is pretty sweet.

Got my Gila a few weeks before Kronos, and had the paper dps up to just over 1k using the standard gecko composition, and loved using it.

Kronos dropped and afterwards I sat there glumly looking at eft and my available mods in the hangar, could not get it much above 800 now. I was worried about the increased split in dps application etc. etc.

Screw it, the proof is in the eating.

Took it out against some sites (4/10s) and missions (L4s) and it’s freaking awesome to fly.

Fast(er), pretty hard to hit.

Given all the other changes to drones; the way the Gila applies the dps is better. 

It melted everything smaller than a BS quickly, and while they might take a bit longer, it’s no real bother.

Drone aggro was not an issue either. (though I cannot speak for wh).

Yeah we lost a unique member of the drone boats (and you are right to mourn the loss, for a time), but we have others to choose from that do freakishly similar things.

AND we got something that feels new, is new, and better than that; fun to fly. Big smile

Definitely go out and try it before you right it off, and if you still hate it you can always sell it for a profit Big smile (I am willing to pay pre Kronos prices).

Obviously, as I fly a Gila, I have no idea about how it will be in PvP. I should imagine it’s terrible.
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1284 - 2014-06-04 18:12:25 UTC
William S Kane wrote:
The new Gila is pretty sweet.

Got my Gila a few weeks before Kronos, and had the paper dps up to just over 1k using the standard gecko composition, and loved using it.

Kronos dropped and afterwards I sat there glumly looking at eft and my available mods in the hangar, could not get it much above 800 now. I was worried about the increased split in dps application etc. etc.

Screw it, the proof is in the eating.

Took it out against some sites (4/10s) and missions (L4s) and it’s freaking awesome to fly.

Fast(er), pretty hard to hit.

Given all the other changes to drones; the way the Gila applies the dps is better. 

It melted everything smaller than a BS quickly, and while they might take a bit longer, it’s no real bother.

Drone aggro was not an issue either. (though I cannot speak for wh).

Yeah we lost a unique member of the drone boats (and you are right to mourn the loss, for a time), but we have others to choose from that do freakishly similar things.

AND we got something that feels new, is new, and better than that; fun to fly. Big smile


Definitely go out and try it before you right it off, and if you still hate it you can always sell it for a profit Big smile (I am willing to pay pre Kronos prices).

Obviously, as I fly a Gila, I have no idea about how it will be in PvP. I should imagine it’s terrible.


This.

That is the big thing for me, it's fun to fly, not stuck on one place because of sentries. Last night (just doing some PVE) I watched MEDIUM drones get 6-700 point hits on things and 1600 to 2k point hits on hull after shields and armor was down. It was honestly crazy lol.

I've always hated how 'weak' drones were, but the ones that spew forth from the Gila are less like Drones and more like 'automated companion assault frigs' (copyright Jenn aSide 2014 Big smile ). I simply don't see how people are complaining about them.


T0adwart
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#1285 - 2014-06-04 19:13:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
T0adwart wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Sicha Starlight wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


So you're saying that despite now years of people getting used to the various ways of keeping aggro off drones, you still haven't figured it out for yourself and are flying a 2014 Gila like it's 2009. Got it lol.

I too would like some firesale Gilas please.


It's not about getting aggro of your drones, it's about their number! Which is small and that is simple fact. Drones got destroyed also another fact, when they blow up your drones in drone bay, which again is small, you got left with pretty defenseless ship, well in terms of doing dps of your own. Or if you havent read so far you are reduced to two mediums, and total 10 in drone bay. Light I don't even use since they are quite useless in wormholes, and pretty much anywhere else besides Hi-Sec. I hoped that ridiculous buff of 5x hitpoints would do something but unfortunately, when your drone gets webbed and they do. They die pretty quick (I mean 750 HP shields and around 1150 HP Armor is not a "life" savior). CCP someday will have to face the fact and state that they had a "Brain fart" and it has gotten in release.

About prices for Gila if I dislike new Gila that does not mean that I dislike ISK, I'll sell my Gila's just like any other item in the game, trying to get highest price possible! Blink



So , again, you are playing in wormholes and don't know how to hold sleeper aggro. Why are your drones getting webbed in the 1st place?



I would really like to know how you plan to send 2 medium drones 60km away in a c3 wh, even a c2 for that matter, and expect it to live long enough to do any good or even get back when it takes aggro.
Please submit link to video showing you soloing in a gila on sisi or I will assume you haven't tried it. Until then.... keep the whole annoying again.. again comments to yourself.


It's not my fault that sooo many people don't know basic things about dealing with Sleeper/incursion styled AI (even after years of dealing with it). With a ship fit and flown properly drones aren't gonna take aggro. And what ...not so smart.... person is going to send drones that far away in a wormhole anyway? That's why i take a chance to many people don't take and put a prop mod on my Gila so I can stay close (ish) to my drones (screw kiting, if you can tank a c3 close to the sleepers you're doing it wrong).

See my post above, it was easy to generate enough threat to manipulate the AI before Kronos, now with 2 super drones coming out of the Gila it's even easier.



As you like to say.. AGAIN.. show it or it didn't happen.
One of you post talks about applying DPS, and a sentry WILL apply dps better than any drone that need to move. You seriously can't believe that sending a medium drone 60km is better than dropping a sentry and applying dps instantly ?? what happens when you move to the next target?? medium has to fly over.. sentry just shoots. This is also the reason sentry carriers are all the rage


Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1286 - 2014-06-04 19:53:26 UTC
T0adwart wrote:



As you like to say.. AGAIN.. show it or it didn't happen.
One of you post talks about applying DPS, and a sentry WILL apply dps better than any drone that need to move. You seriously can't believe that sending a medium drone 60km is better than dropping a sentry and applying dps instantly ?? what happens when you move to the next target?? medium has to fly over.. sentry just shoots. This is also the reason sentry carriers are all the rage




So again (lol) you are saying you don't know what people mean when they say 'apply damage' in EVE. How well is that sentry drone going to apply damage to a frig sized ship (sleeper or otherwise) that's orbiting at 2.5 km? which one is going to do full damage to a cruiser sized at all. Hell, which one (medium drone or sentry) can even HIT a cruiser sized target under 11km without assistance of webs/TP?

And why is you drone 60 km from you in the 1st place?

As for showing it, so you really mean I need to fraps a wormhole site just to show you what I mean? Like hell lol. I don't care if you understand this or not. Fly the Gila or not, like the Gila or not, it doesn't matter to me (but you're missing out on an awesome ship if you don't).

I'm simply explaining that you are doing it wrong (really wrong lol), and since you are doing it wrong, you've come to the wrong conclusions about the changes that almost every one else have adapted to. The changes to the Guristas ships are now pure awesome (for those of us who know the game), 'super drones' (ie super bonused drones launched from the 32 guristas ships) are one of the best additions to the game in years as far as Im concerned. I spent all day at work waiting to get home just so i could get back to my Gila (well, my Gila and my Beer).

Sell yours if you don't like it.
T0adwart
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#1287 - 2014-06-04 20:13:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
T0adwart wrote:



As you like to say.. AGAIN.. show it or it didn't happen.
One of you post talks about applying DPS, and a sentry WILL apply dps better than any drone that need to move. You seriously can't believe that sending a medium drone 60km is better than dropping a sentry and applying dps instantly ?? what happens when you move to the next target?? medium has to fly over.. sentry just shoots. This is also the reason sentry carriers are all the rage




So again (lol) you are saying you don't know what people mean when they say 'apply damage' in EVE. How well is that sentry drone going to apply damage to a frig sized ship (sleeper or otherwise) that's orbiting at 2.5 km? which one is going to do full damage to a cruiser sized at all. Hell, which one (medium drone or sentry) can even HIT a cruiser sized target under 11km without assistance of webs/TP?

And why is you drone 60 km from you in the 1st place?

As for showing it, so you really mean I need to fraps a wormhole site just to show you what I mean? Like hell lol. I don't care if you understand this or not. Fly the Gila or not, like the Gila or not, it doesn't matter to me (but you're missing out on an awesome ship if you don't).

I'm simply explaining that you are doing it wrong (really wrong lol), and since you are doing it wrong, you've come to the wrong conclusions about the changes that almost every one else have adapted to. The changes to the Guristas ships are now pure awesome (for those of us who know the game), 'super drones' (ie super bonused drones launched from the 32 guristas ships) are one of the best additions to the game in years as far as Im concerned. I spent all day at work waiting to get home just so i could get back to my Gila (well, my Gila and my Beer).

Sell yours if you don't like it.


I have been playing eve for 5 yrs.. 90% of the time in wh's from c2-c6.. next time you venture in to a wh anom.. see how far the sleepers spawn.. then come back and see why I say 60km.. in a C2 they are even further from warp in than 60km, and yes you can burn to them, but why ?? when your sentries could pop them from that distance, frigs don't get to orbit at 2,5km
and of course I don't use sentries when the frig's are close.
But yea.. you right.. I give up.. you win.. yeayy!!!
enjoy your beer. Blink
Sicha Starlight
Tectics
#1288 - 2014-06-05 09:18:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

I'm simply explaining that you are doing it wrong (really wrong lol), and since you are doing it wrong, you've come to the wrong conclusions about the changes that almost every one else have adapted to. The changes to the Guristas ships are now pure awesome (for those of us who know the game), 'super drones' (ie super bonused drones launched from the 32 guristas ships) are one of the best additions to the game in years as far as Im concerned. I spent all day at work waiting to get home just so i could get back to my Gila (well, my Gila and my Beer).

Sell yours if you don't like it.


I'm really happy for you, an NO I'm not sarcastic. I am genuinely happy that there are people who are enjoying the new updates and new ships. I my self am not as much. But that how life works fore some one to get something other must loose. I agree that "medium" and "lights" are not supposed to fly further than 10k away from your ship, and I also agree that with carefully chosen equipment you could do pretty good and keep those drones alive and not to get agroed. But that was not my point. My point in the beginning was that EVE as a game, didn't need another "pvp brawler" since it had so many! Especially with new faction and ships with it (Garmur, Orthrus and what ever was the battleship called) they all are "brawlers" now you don't have as versatile ship as Gila was. I'm not saying that you can't use it, I'm just saying that you can't use it for the same things you could up until "Kronos". Now you can't do C5's you simply can't. You Might do C3's with a lot of struggle but that's it.
And again I'm not "hating" just for no reason. I'm disappointed that CCP is turning the EVE into one big PvP arena, and players who are not into that are getting constantly undermined and "ships of choice" are changing more and more into PvP ships. Which in the end just leaves me that I used to (like you) just waiting to get done with my work and get online do something fun and joyful, but now it has passed two days I didn't even bother to log on since they took that away from me. I basically have to go and get some other ship (if there is any left) to do, what I was doing so far and what I was enjoying.


T0adwart wrote wrote:

I have been playing eve for 5 yrs.. 90% of the time in wh's from c2-c6.. next time you venture in to a wh anom.. see how far the sleepers spawn.. then come back and see why I say 60km.. in a C2 they are even further from warp in than 60km, and yes you can burn to them, but why ?? when your sentries could pop them from that distance, frigs don't get to orbit at 2,5km
and of course I don't use sentries when the frig's are close.
But yea.. you right.. I give up.. you win.. yeayy!!!
enjoy your beer. Blink


I agree, that most what I would be missing are sentries and whole pack of "util" drones in my cargo hold :( mostly salvage and repair drones :( but as I was reading there is still a tiny glimpse of hope in Astero even though for me it's one ugly ship but it's pretty close to what Gila was ;)
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1289 - 2014-06-05 11:20:14 UTC
Give Vigilant and Cynabal (at least some of) their PWG back. Also, Stratios should get 125 Mbit/sec back cause dps is **** after the patch.
Dehval
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1290 - 2014-06-06 07:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dehval
Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:
Give Vigilant and Cynabal (at least some of) their PWG back. Also, Stratios should get 125 Mbit/sec back cause dps is **** after the patch.

Stratios dps hasn't changed much unless you were using Gardes/Bouncers beforehand. All other drones either were buffed or remained the same.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#1291 - 2014-06-06 15:31:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
T0adwart wrote:



As you like to say.. AGAIN.. show it or it didn't happen.
One of you post talks about applying DPS, and a sentry WILL apply dps better than any drone that need to move. You seriously can't believe that sending a medium drone 60km is better than dropping a sentry and applying dps instantly ?? what happens when you move to the next target?? medium has to fly over.. sentry just shoots. This is also the reason sentry carriers are all the rage




So again (lol) you are saying you don't know what people mean when they say 'apply damage' in EVE. How well is that sentry drone going to apply damage to a frig sized ship (sleeper or otherwise) that's orbiting at 2.5 km? which one is going to do full damage to a cruiser sized at all. Hell, which one (medium drone or sentry) can even HIT a cruiser sized target under 11km without assistance of webs/TP?

And why is you drone 60 km from you in the 1st place?

As for showing it, so you really mean I need to fraps a wormhole site just to show you what I mean? Like hell lol. I don't care if you understand this or not. Fly the Gila or not, like the Gila or not, it doesn't matter to me (but you're missing out on an awesome ship if you don't).

I'm simply explaining that you are doing it wrong (really wrong lol), and since you are doing it wrong, you've come to the wrong conclusions about the changes that almost every one else have adapted to. The changes to the Guristas ships are now pure awesome (for those of us who know the game), 'super drones' (ie super bonused drones launched from the 32 guristas ships) are one of the best additions to the game in years as far as Im concerned. I spent all day at work waiting to get home just so i could get back to my Gila (well, my Gila and my Beer).

Sell yours if you don't like it.



+1 there are no DUI"s in EVE
gib5on
Doomheim
#1292 - 2014-06-06 17:45:47 UTC
Ok ccp jokes over go ahead put the Vigilant back as it was...
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1293 - 2014-06-06 23:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sheimi Madaveda
gib5on wrote:
Ok ccp jokes over go ahead put the Vigilant back as it was...


It has the same fitting as a Deimos now, but with 50 less calibration and an extra rig slot. However, it is 300m/s faster than a Deimos before any speed mods, and around 10% more agile under thrust.

Just learn to kite with single nano and 90% web if you can't figure out how to buffer fit one. Not hard.

Arma Purgatorium - Once for the State, Now for the King Low Sec, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png 

Mana Shian
Perkone
Caldari State
#1294 - 2014-06-07 01:26:22 UTC
My corp mate was insta-popped in a Hawk by the Gila's Valkyries. 2000+ damage in a single volley. Crazy stuff.
O2 jayjay
Trent Industries
Hell Dawn
#1295 - 2014-06-08 11:01:32 UTC
Vigilant nerf is wack. What was the reason?
O2 jayjay
Trent Industries
Hell Dawn
#1296 - 2014-06-08 11:02:56 UTC
Sheimi Madaveda wrote:
gib5on wrote:
Ok ccp jokes over go ahead put the Vigilant back as it was...


It has the same fitting as a Deimos now, but with 50 less calibration and an extra rig slot. However, it is 300m/s faster than a Deimos before any speed mods, and around 10% more agile under thrust.

Just learn to kite with single nano and 90% web if you can't figure out how to buffer fit one. Not hard.


No one want to kite in a vigilant
Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#1297 - 2014-06-08 12:18:23 UTC
Better learn fast then, because 8000m scram kiting is going to be the next big thing for you.
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1298 - 2014-06-08 17:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sheimi Madaveda
O2 jayjay wrote:

No one want to kite in a vigilant


Then don't. It still has enough PG with a t2 ACR rig to fit all neutrons + 1600mm plate, just not a t2 plate. Your dreams weren't crushed, rofl.

Also, if your argument is that people don't want to kite with fast, range bonused hulls with a strong bonus to range dictation (webs), then you better think again. How often is the new Garmur LML fit? What about the Crow? Orthrus? Ever seen a brawling fit Rapier? How about an Arazu? Granted, those last two have different reasons (range bonuses, paper thin tank [even Crow can fit more tank relative to its weight class]) for being far away from their victims, but their bonuses ARE geared towards locking enemies down (extreme web/scram range)

Rail Daredevil has been a thing for quite some time in frigate PvP, and now the Vigilant can do the same thing - just bigger.

Arma Purgatorium - Once for the State, Now for the King Low Sec, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png 

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1299 - 2014-06-08 18:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mana Shian wrote:
My corp mate was insta-popped in a Hawk by the Gila's Valkyries. 2000+ damage in a single volley. Crazy stuff.


An hour ago I killed a pvp fit Stratios and chased off his enyo buddy in a PVE fit Gila (I was doing a blood raider anomalie). I didn't even have a point, I did mwd into him when it look like he wanted to warp. Augmented Hammerheads rock.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1300 - 2014-06-08 21:55:57 UTC
Is there a reason only one of the drone bay doors stays open (left side) and are these supposed to close during warp? Just wondering if this is a graphics glitch on my end.

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