Warfare & Tactics

Also agreeing. Yeah, I'll miss making that LP... but with no financial rewards for running complexes the war zone will be dictated less by people wanting to earn money and more by people who want to gain tactical superiority and actual fights.

We have seen the opposite on the Amarr/Minmatar front. I don't support tossing the baby out with the bath water but some changes may be needed.

there is quiet frankly thousands of suggestions and most of them are very similar to each other.

similar to each other. what i meant to say is although there is tons of suggestions one might call for plex removal from fw on might call for modification of the plexs. but out of all the suggestions they all summarize that either they need to be removed or modified.

CCP just needs to pick one of the suggestion themes and go with it.

alot of people want harder rats in the plexs whatever sure.
alot of people want plexs gone
alot of people want docking restrictions gone
alot of people missions balanced rat wise/ have effect on the contesting of a system/ have opposition factions have objectives/ get rid of them.

tons of suggestions most aim down these paths.

CCP just needs to pick some after the litteral years of idea generating and go with it

they already did and they implemented current FW. fw is fine.

Money for PvP is why people are in the warzone. Getting rid of ISK in FW plexes will stop most people from participating in FW.

fyi in the future crosi dont expect any serious constructive posts when i respond to you



they took many suggestions from the past and picked a few of them and went forward.


wrong we have already seen in the past that there was more pvp in our warzone before the changes and now there is less. yup thats the plan getting rid of isk that takes no real risk to earn is the plan.

The issue isn't a matter of legality... it's a matter of identification and enforcement.

CCP have [thankfully] not implemented anti-bot software (because it doesn't really work in the long run and causes too much client bloat along with the potential for automated false positives).
This means that the DEVs have to look into each case manually and individually which ties up resources for a good long while (IIRC, positively identifying a bot can take days).
And if you finally ban that one bot, another will quickly take its place (because running complexes in FW is trivial and only takes a few hours of training).

A more long term solution (and the holy grail of game design) is to create a system that organically dissuades botting while being not too frustrating for players.


Very true. But how far should things be let go?

Here we have a system intended to give people small to medium-scale warfare with a few extras thrown in. True... farming has always been part of FW to a certain degree (FW missions)... but until the revamp it never actually dictated the "tone" for the warzones.
Today, we have people who join not because they want to fight but because they just want to earn money. Again, not necessarily a bad thing by itself (it is to be expected after all)... but when those people switch sides, farm, switch sides, farm, rinse and repeat with no loyalty or care for the effects they cause... it does raise questions on whether this enables a healthy environment for PvP the system was intended to cause/create.


Personally? I would just like to see docking restrictions lifted. Yes, from a lore/RP point-of-view it makes sense. Yes, it also does make some groups work together more closely than they would like.
But it also prevents people from spreading out within the warzone because no one group can stay online all the time to keep their system from being farmed to vulnerable and captured.
This in turn creates "bunker" systems that are nigh impregnable while everything else remains more or less undefended... or groups live just outside the warzone to avoid the lockouts altogether... or people just leave FW and become full pirates because well, having where you can and cannot dock because some people did more PvE than you leaves a bad taste in your mouth and is not the reason you joined the militia in the first place.

It is like 0.0 SOV being decided by how much ratting, anomalies, and mining your alliance does over the others... with ship on ship combat being completely unnecessary or even being discouraged (because you are not ratting, running anomalies, or mining to keep SOV).

PvP should never be an isk generator. If it was then the entire eve economy would just collapse.

Not saying you can't make money by doing pvp but it should NEVER 'generate' isk.

And lets be honest here. If you want t make money in FW then pvp is the most useless way to go about it.

There area few things that inferno definitely helped with however there are a lot of the 'old' system that were much better mechanics

Actually I think docking restrictions decreased the conflict by separating the warring parties. Other factors added to the pvp - including the initial mad isk that attracted lots of people to faction war and the change where it would take 5xs as long to flip a system right before inferno hit.

ShahFluffers gave several good reasons to end docking restrictions.