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First Time Buyer; Is EvE worth renewing?

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Kiades Aeon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-04-07 09:43:09 UTC
I currently have SIX accounts, all of them ready for PvP, four of them PvE capable, five of them owning a capital ship of some sort (dreads, carriers, one Rorqual), and participating in both null sec combat and faction warfare. I was there in B-R, I was there to take over Branch and assisted in taking over Vale of the Silent, I was there, shooting the structure in Jita against the riots raged on, I was there with the new textures and models of Trinity, I was there through the bugs and client breaking feature releases.

I have made friends and allies, pushed my personal skills further then I have gone before, and have played this game around the world, from 50 ms to over 1000 ms in ping times to the servers, all of which doing so much. I have worked wormholes, worked with the IT side of alliances, participated in null sec politics, have ran corporations, 'worked' the Jita and Amarr markets to make my profits and PLEX, and have been around before PLEX was a thing. Hell, I've even been crazy enough to pilot 20 retrievers in null sec to mine dark glitter while using other computers to run my links, Orca, Rorqual, and protection!

And for the years past from 2006, all the time, all the effort put in, I still haven't done everything. This game can bring you happiness, despair, love, hopelessness. But you will always find something that you never knew, something you never experienced. The stories to tell, the adventure to recall to those who never played. The people you meet you may even see in your life outside the game. You can play for free, for as long as you make PLEX or save your isk for something better.

Will you be there to recall your stories to another with a similar question?

Thank you for your time.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-04-07 10:54:26 UTC
Start off for $10 get like 45 days of play time. Get a sub for the next month, total of $25.

Get your final sub, and you're at having spent $40. Maybe if you take a break or don't play very much, have to pay for another sub for a total of $55 max.

Now, within this amount of time, you can have trained up your character to be able to do moderately profitable actions capable of financing your play through purchasing plex with isk.

At first EvE is Pay to Play, but then after investing some time it turns into play to play.

I dunno about right now though. CCP might be going through a financial crunch considering the cost of plex, the entrance fee to the EvE themepark, has gone up like 35%.

So maybe potentially, it's worth it? I'd say give it a shot. Play for 3 months, and if plex hasn't gone back down to around 550mil, consider it a wash and move on.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#63 - 2014-04-07 15:41:15 UTC
I play this game for it's anti-social features. Big smile
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#64 - 2014-04-07 15:48:51 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:


This isn't your standard theme-park "single-player with other people nearby MMO". Enjoy it. :)


This is one of the things I love about EVE and it's single shard universe. You don't get to say "I want to be left alone" in this game, it's a shared experience and if you don't like that, you should be playing regular mmos that let you do "single player with other people".
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#65 - 2014-04-07 22:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

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Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.


This thread also has been moved to EVE New Citizens Q&A

And to answer the initial question of the OP: Yes. It's worth it.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-04-07 23:39:40 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Naomi Sagan wrote:
Hello, I'm in a bit of a conflict over EvE and was wondering if some of the more experienced players could help me out. I'm a first time player who bought a 6-month subscription 4 months ago after hearing how deep of a game EvE is, but in the next two months I need to decide whether or not I want to keep playing. I confess I'm very torn. On one hand I like EvE. It’s a deep and fun experience if you play with the right people. The community in general, disregarding the PvP - PvE arguments, is very helpful and knowledgeable and I love what EvE can do on both micro and macro scales. Yet on the other-hand I admit I have no love at all for subscription models. I feel they are very bad values that offer token paybacks and bare-bone additions compared to the revenue earned. Call it what you may, but for $120 a year I expect quite a bit of content to be added; at minimum a stand-alone $60 game worth. Yet in all the subscription games I've ever tried (EvE discounted because I have little experience here) it's the equivalent of one or two small DLCs a year.

So my questions are:

a.) How often does EvE receive expansions?
b.) Compared to the latest Rubicon, how large are the additions?
c.) How often are sales held? (Like the Winter sale where prices had been reduced 50% iirc)
d.) Has any information been released as to what the subscription money goes toward such as statistical breakdowns?


Thanks a bunch!



TBH most long time players continue to play because they do not want to feel like they have WASTED the last xx (insert # here) years of their life.

Others stay for relationships they have built. Lets be real because should some of these people find someone to be friends with even in a video game they really need to hold to that. Cry


Too bad that I personally know a married couple in EVE that met through EVE in the first place, they married and moved in together.

So, yes, EVE friends are real friends, if you meet the right people in EVE.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-04-07 23:46:06 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:


Grind/lvl based MMO's need new content ever so often to keep giving you gear/level goals so you keep playing and grinding, doing new quests. Not so in EVE because it's a sandbox and it has no levels, it doesn't need new content since its content comes from the players.

So all the game needs is for CCP to make stuff work, to continuously work on balancing and once in awhile add more sparkly bits.


THIS.

It can't be said enough:

CCP didn't make the game, CCP made EVE.

What they did is made some basic tools and a border around the sandbox (EULA / ToS).
The game itself, that is created by the players.

Name any form of publicity...it's made and created by players:

Fall of BoB...that's players
Hulkageddon...players

Battle of Asakai...players
Battle of B-R...players (fun fact: it happened EXACTLY 1 year after Asakai).

All the stories of spies, counter-intelligence, thefts, friendly fire incidents...everything relates back to players interacting with each other.


All CCP did was create the sandbox, set some basic rules and made sure that everybody could do what ever he/she wants.
The fun part, that creates conflict as my gamestyle is different then yours or player "x", and that's what fuels and drives EVE...

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#68 - 2014-04-08 07:03:55 UTC
Naomi Sagan wrote:
Call it what you may, but for $120 a year I expect quite a bit of content to be added; at minimum a stand-alone $60 game worth.


This isn't even remotely a reasonable demand.

Sure, Eve does do two major reworks a year, but if this is your core expectation of online games then you probably should stop playing online games and just buy two AAA releases a year instead.

Well, one and a half, since AAA releases run 70 to 80$ at the moment, I guess.

(Why is this an unreasonable demand? Because even stand-alone games with the highest replay value around don't have anywhere near 7-8 months of play time with their core content. Hell, some of the most-hyped ones barely have a week's worth, look at Diablo 3 or pre-mod Skyrim.)
Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2014-04-09 01:45:11 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
hmmmmm is eve worth renewing. That depend on a number of facts:

1. Do you like using your brain?
2. Do you play 4 hours or more per day?
3. Do you only play eve?
4. Do you live and breath pvp where there is a lot of situations where you are greatly disadvantaged?

These are key factors to what is required to be worth continuing playing eve online, this is a unique game where it makes you earn your way up over time, effort, and energy just to progress. Not a game for the casuals, the moment you go casual is the moment you get bored from eve. You really need to be a hardcore player with a lot of free time on your hands to fully enjoy this game


i humbly disagree...

I play less than 3 hours a day .. some days i actually skip it or only log in to change skills.
I like the challenges of PvP
I only play EvE
i like that i can log in.. maybe do ONE FW mission agent..
or One exploration mission in low sec space .. while watching out for Pirates/gankers/etc.

just like eve is an open world of endless options for your play style or content..
so ar the people that play it.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#70 - 2014-04-09 02:06:38 UTC
Naomi Sagan wrote:

So my questions are:

a.) How often does EvE receive expansions?
b.) Compared to the latest Rubicon, how large are the additions?
c.) How often are sales held? (Like the Winter sale where prices had been reduced 50% iirc)
d.) Has any information been released as to what the subscription money goes toward such as statistical breakdowns?


Thanks a bunch!


a) Twice a year generally.

b) Rubicon was a disappointing release overall, IMO. Most expansions are better than it. The best expansion in recent years was Apochyra (not even going to try to spell that right).

In EVE however, it's often the small changes that create the most gameplay. Odyssey made one small change - re-randomizing the materials on each moon in the game - and in doing so singlehandedly caused most of nullsec to go up in flames as alliances fought over moon materials again. Even for someone like me that doesn't have any involvement in nullsec sovereign warfare, this created opportunities to trade with alliance logisiticians, scam alliance line members looking to buy themselves doctrine-fit ships, and somewhat changed the shape of highsec for a while by getting most of the Goons and TEST alts out of the space.


c) I don't know if there are subscription sales often at all. PLEX sales happen a bit - maybe quarterly - but subscribing directly is almost always cheaper.

d) I would assume in general in the entertainment industry that it's 60% running costs/development and 40% profit. I could be wildly wrong here.



If you are still on the fence about resubbing, I recommend you go out of your way to be a bastard in EVE for a day.

Bump a miner so far that they lose their target lock. Invade someone's mission and try to goad them into shooting you. Suicide gank a pod in highsec. Type the lyrics to "Call Me Maybe" into local chat in a trade hub. Dishonor a duel. Fit a suicide Celestis, enter an incursion site, and damp the two logi pilots to the point that they lose their target locks and cannot repair the fleet. AWOX a corp. (Actually, don't do #4, it's mean).

Then, deal with the consequences of your actions when others try to get revenge upon you.

That is what makes EVE so much fun.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Viserys Anstian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-04-09 19:34:56 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
To best answer your question, let your sub expire.

If you come back then you have your answer.


Best answer....

You can always sub one month at a time if you want.

Even without content additions, you'll be overwhelmed for a very long time with the current content.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-04-10 00:26:47 UTC
Viserys Anstian wrote:
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
To best answer your question, let your sub expire.

If you come back then you have your answer.


Best answer....

You can always sub one month at a time if you want.

Even without content additions, you'll be overwhelmed for a very long time with the current content.


These 2.

Honlstly, just start with a 30 day subscription. Try the game out for a month, there is already enough content in EVE to keep you trying out new stuff for months if not over a year.

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