EVE General Discussion

The trade that

a) Uses jump routes so barely sees the light of day

b) Is not even necessary

c) Supports empires that are not necessarily opposed to the Sanshas cause

d) Is irrelevant to Sansha's objectives in protracting a war against the actual Empires he hates so much because it is not like the Nulliances would wish to aid the Amarr Empire should it start to crumble.

It was him trying to troll me. You missed the part about being a ****** chipmonk hit by a car?

I merely made a sincere suggestion. Seeing the response above, confirms that it would indeed be a good one.

Incursions in low and null are paid even more than empire. And their not rally that safe, TDF and some other fleets lose ships constantly to screw ups/alphas.

Where it up to me (™) I would have done things differently from the start, and it would have prevented one problem I see with incursions now....

And that problem is that the sites will get turbo-blitzed and that brings about the appearance of the mother ship, but they let the mother ship sit without engaging it and farming sites even more.

That makes as much sense as getting an insurance payout for being Concorded.


I would have set a despawn timer for the mother ship and if it managed to escape without being blown up, NOBODY would get LPs from the incursion. Mission failed, go back to school.

People would say that was harsh, but if incursions started out that way with that mechanic, it would not be seen as harsh, it would be seen as "just is".



For extra evil I would let players with high Sansha faction (the 2 or 3 in the game) go into these sites and attack incursion runners and earn Sansha LP from that.



You see I think there is a vision afoot to make highsec more like nullsec but not in such manner that highsec magically becomes some uber free for all gleeful gankfest that will have the griefers actually hit the pause button on whatever episode of "SAW" that they are watching and do more than gate camp. A day will come when you can be relatively safe in highsec ONLY if you keep your hands to yourself.

Take the MTU for example. You can blitz missions and get the loot too for extra ISK, but that with some improperly set drones means you get opened up for PVP.


Incursions had both the good guys (incursion runners) and there were bad guys, Sansha loyalists, before it became content, and there was a missed opportunity there to have combined PVP/PVe content with incursions that could have made for some considerably interesting game.

Imagine if, during an incursion, Sansha mission agents would appear in a ship (that could be attacked, BTW) that other players can go to and get bounties for incursion runners, that is, like a "You get so many Sansha LP for some amount of ISK destroyed". (Killboards are pretty much boiled down to "ISK destroyed")

The objective would be to kill these mission agents before the "enemy" players could get to them, for if they did, you would have players who could attack incursion runners in the sites (only in the sites, BTW - no gankfests remember?)

If such a thing were introduced now, the tears would be so deep CCP would have to relocate their corporate offices into a submarine.


Me and incursions go way back, before they became permanent content, and seeing what has become of incursions, was kind of a letdown. We did a lot of semi-RP in dealing with Sansha, and there were pro-Nation players too, but they got the short end of the stick on this one. So it was like "Oh now you can farm incursions and rake in the ISK" but the other players were left out.


It was even more of a letdown to see incursions become this snobby bling ship pageant too. It's not like it makes it 1000 times easier - you still have to know what you are doing - but that's how it went. If there was a spectre of PVP in incursions, the same players might be motivated not to rely on bling so much, or if they did, really back it up. But we have to really wonder if there was an intent to even see a ship costing 30 billion or more.

To be honest, I felt safer ratting in null than I did running incursions. In an incursion, 5-10 seconds of lag or inattention could result in my losing over a billion isk.

When null ratting I had plenty of warning with intel channels. And if I did die, I lost much less.

Saw a incursioner get ganked today 20 tornado's did the job - overkill if you ask me

Is there any documentation on this? Lately, it's not uncommon to clear a "Blockade" and have a meager 5m in the MTU.

Not that I disagree with anything in your post.

However your MTU example is out of date. The drones making you suspect thing was patched.

The only downside of an MTU currently is they are very easy to scan down so draw unwanted attention.

I wish we'd see more of this than popping the moms. This is fun, challenging for logis etc. Popping moms for tears is not fun for way more people than its fun for. moms pop, hundreds setup to do this cannot play the game. They pay subscriptions too even if it is with plex.

S/he's either trolling or there is a lot of wishful thinking - you'll waste your time. Because 1) pre-loaded TCRC is easier for logi pilots - there is no "sliding aggro" (in normal site there are 4-5 spawns attacking different ships simultaneously, in pre-loaded site logis repair only 1-2 targets), shps are popping in pre-loaded sites but it happens like once in 3-4 days and 2) no way on Earth incursion battleships will go suspect in the site - logis will simply stop repairing them, it's kind of incursion law. Not to mention Sansha will most likely attack you when you'll burn away from fleet to grab MTAC + fleets know about "MTAC competitions" because they did it with each other so if there is neutral ship or rival fleet on grid they'll simply accumulate multiple MTACs before attacking tower and then proceed normally.