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Is it safe to play the Bad Guy in Eve still? Bans?

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#81 - 2014-04-04 14:54:34 UTC
Eaon Fallion wrote:
I have never scammed or cheated another player in this game. But the players that DO scam make the game more fun for me. Awoxers make recruiting a FUN, INTERESTING event with reason not to just accept anyone in. If they do make it in, the game goes to the next level and the corp has to deal with an awoxer! Much better than killing red crosses! Gives you a chance to see the mettle of your corpmates and the resilience of your corp.

I have thought of making a new character to do a safari, like on the Eve Villain blog. However, after the banning of Erotica1 I have been second guessing this. If one of the people I awox has a mental disorder, or exaggerates any emotional anguish, can my account(s) be banned without warning if I cross this invisible line? I don't plan to 'torture' anyone and knowing myself I will probably feel bad after an Orca dies and reimburse the guy I kill. But you never know how people will take losing their space pixels...

My question is this: How can I 'safely' play a bad guy without putting my subscription at risk? What is the 'invisible line' defined as? (I hear suicide comments every 2 seconds in local, but if they say they will kill themselves if they don't get their stuff back is that an auto-win against scamming?)

**Edit: Saw the similar posts. Sorry to basically repost.


You can still safely play the 'bad guy' and do all the activities that pilots used to do such as miner bumping, ransoms, suicide ganking, ISK scams, trade window scams(Personally I think that one should be stopped.), AWOXing and anything else I've forgotten to list.

What you shouldn't do is use EVE Voice or any other voice software as a conduit to conduct your 'bad guy' activities. Even if the victim wants to talk to you using voice software DON'T do it. Then I think it will be very hard for anyone to have proof to get you banned.

There is also the other rule, which I believe is a CCP official one, that if are using non-lethal means to attack a pilot such as miner-bumping etc then you shouldn't pursue them over multiple systems. Also don't attack new pilots in the main rookie systems. That's about it I think.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2014-04-04 15:11:09 UTC
Or... join a bad guy's union, if you get banned your union can troll EVE endlessly.

Minerbumping
Belligerent Undesirables
The Ninja communities

And there's always the CFC, which will soon enter into war with the ancient enemy that is high-sec.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#83 - 2014-04-04 15:22:06 UTC
Eaon Fallion wrote:
I have never scammed or cheated another player in this game. But the players that DO scam make the game more fun for me. Awoxers make recruiting a FUN, INTERESTING event with reason not to just accept anyone in. If they do make it in, the game goes to the next level and the corp has to deal with an awoxer! Much better than killing red crosses! Gives you a chance to see the mettle of your corpmates and the resilience of your corp.

I have thought of making a new character to do a safari, like on the Eve Villain blog. However, after the banning of Erotica1 I have been second guessing this. If one of the people I awox has a mental disorder, or exaggerates any emotional anguish, can my account(s) be banned without warning if I cross this invisible line? I don't plan to 'torture' anyone and knowing myself I will probably feel bad after an Orca dies and reimburse the guy I kill. But you never know how people will take losing their space pixels...

My question is this: How can I 'safely' play a bad guy without putting my subscription at risk? What is the 'invisible line' defined as? (I hear suicide comments every 2 seconds in local, but if they say they will kill themselves if they don't get their stuff back is that an auto-win against scamming?)

**Edit: Saw the similar posts. Sorry to basically repost.




It's safe as long as you don't make it all about TEARS! OOOH LOOK AT ME I GOT TEARS! and then pass the video/audio/hate mail around the way pedos share their exploits (or other comparable creepiness centered on such actions).

CCP says you can scam and gank to your heart's desire but reserve the right to judge you if you display fetishistic behavior around their content and whether or not they want their content to be associated with your meta-jollies.


They didn't use the term "fetishistic" but until the greifing community can explain exactly what they feel they gain out of sharing the hatemails and audios of people going ballistic I'm going to call it that.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-04-04 15:27:51 UTC
Eaon Fallion wrote:
I have never scammed or cheated another player in this game. But the players that DO scam make the game more fun for me. Awoxers make recruiting a FUN, INTERESTING event with reason not to just accept anyone in. If they do make it in, the game goes to the next level and the corp has to deal with an awoxer! Much better than killing red crosses! Gives you a chance to see the mettle of your corpmates and the resilience of your corp.

I have thought of making a new character to do a safari, like on the Eve Villain blog. However, after the banning of Erotica1 I have been second guessing this. If one of the people I awox has a mental disorder, or exaggerates any emotional anguish, can my account(s) be banned without warning if I cross this invisible line? I don't plan to 'torture' anyone and knowing myself I will probably feel bad after an Orca dies and reimburse the guy I kill. But you never know how people will take losing their space pixels...

My question is this: How can I 'safely' play a bad guy without putting my subscription at risk? What is the 'invisible line' defined as? (I hear suicide comments every 2 seconds in local, but if they say they will kill themselves if they don't get their stuff back is that an auto-win against scamming?)

**Edit: Saw the similar posts. Sorry to basically repost.

This.

Would you like to know more?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#85 - 2014-04-04 17:00:54 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Sadly, some members of the community, including Ripard, want the zero risk, zero drama themepark. Thats what all this drama is about at the end of the day: A campaign to reduce how big of a d-bag you can be to other players. That's his shtick.

I mean Ripard honestly believes in the concept of isk tanking, and that if his ship cost X, then it should cost you greater than X to kill it.

And players who don't abide by that concept, and use a cheap fit catalysts to kill 250m exhumers, well he'll compare those players to rapists and the like in order to try and make people hate them.

He's the scummiest blogger/csm/whatever I know about, even worse now that he's actively using his visibility to CCP and the wider games media to pressure CCP directly.


Someone needs to write a blog post and call for Ripard's banning.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
#86 - 2014-04-04 17:01:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Precentor Saggitus wrote:
Personally I don't understand the desire to become a space-telemarketer or a space nigerian prince.

What's the appeal here? Maybe its just me but the amount this goes on seems to have increased substantially since I started playing EVE.


We like being filthy rich.


Does it really get that much isk for the effort though? I mean if one plotted out how much time one spent sitting in Jita or wherever, spamming the local with one's latest shill. I mean working at it, I can easily earn roughly 60 mil ISK/hr in various other activities, so playing scammer would have to turn more than that if ISK was the real reason people do it.

It even seems to me that the scam market is flooded at the moment with every wannabe next big drama creator, even to the point where one is starting to see guys spamming their scam in the lesser market hubs and one night there was a fellow even wandering through some low population systems (less than ten people in local) looking for a victim.

So for every scammer making a big score, there's probably ten or more who spend a bunch of hours at it with no hits. From wandering the spacelanes, that number is growing.

Personally I'm suprised that one of the scammer hasn't started a pyramid scheme and has scammers working under him, until eventually he runs away with it all, and the scammers get scammed. Seeing as how many new scammers want to get into this market.

Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.
White Pauder
Doomheim
#87 - 2014-04-04 17:02:58 UTC
Ban riptard then he can stop crying about all the bad people in eve and why its ruining his hello kitty island adventure game. I have his real name btw.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#88 - 2014-04-04 17:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

pedos

fetishistic behavior

greifing



Because when people get hyperbolic about what is basically yanking someones chain who is too stupid to realise theyve been had and cant admit their mistake, it makes a person feel superior

God forbid they should enjoy their success, whether you find it acceptable or not.

People are judging the output now and not the act itself in an attempt to villify everything to do with the situation, whether it is right, wrong or pointless

Personally I believe that the only reason to use hyperbole is to illicit an emotional reaction from allies and enemies in an unsubtle fashion


Whats wrong with liking feet and pictures of shoes anyway?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#89 - 2014-04-04 17:22:55 UTC
White Pauder wrote:
Ban riptard then he can stop crying about all the bad people in eve and why its ruining his hello kitty island adventure game. I have his real name btw.


Total agreement right there.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#90 - 2014-04-04 17:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Did I miss something? Has CCP started a pogrom against rude and unkind people? Or are grieferbears/scammerbears/lulzbears just a little panicky right now?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#91 - 2014-04-04 18:00:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:



Whats wrong with liking feet and pictures of shoes anyway?


As long as the shoes are mules or other open toe types, then nothing at all. If they have a short chain between them, then all the better.

Sadly, we don't don't get to see much of that in EVE.

Mr Epeen Cool
CCP Falcon
#92 - 2014-04-04 18:05:34 UTC
Read this thread and discuss it there.

Policy hasn't changed, and you can continue to scam and rip eachother off as much as you like.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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