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Is it safe to play the Bad Guy in Eve still? Bans?

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Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#61 - 2014-04-04 10:57:13 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Silvara Nocturn wrote:
If your afraid of the consequences maybe you shouldn't turn to a life of crime.


In game or out? Ive lost track


There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#62 - 2014-04-04 10:57:55 UTC
Bumsicle Wedgie wrote:
No. You will get banned.

Do not upset anyone, ever, anywhere.

You have been warned.


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"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#63 - 2014-04-04 11:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Silvara Nocturn wrote:
There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal.

Only where people on both sides of the fence don't know how to draw the line.

Playing a villain in game should never lead to out of game consequences or threats if playing the villain is done completely within the rules.

Unfortunately they do occur though because those that think they are in the righteous group, don't know how to draw an appropriate line either.
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-04-04 11:10:21 UTC
If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...

No I don't think you should be banned.. I think you should be grabbed by the balls and thrown off the tallest building in a 100 mile radius.. why no further than 100 miles? You aren't worth the petrol.

Hopefully you would have enough time whilst falling in mid-air to think about your actions.
Ms Kat
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-04-04 11:12:22 UTC
Firstly I would like to introduce myself. I am Ms Kat the thorn in the side of many incursion community's.

I have on and off for several months caused billions upon billions in losses and made 30bil +/- in loot in the process.

One of my favourite community's to pester is TVP as they lack good logistics and die a lot, whilst the tears in local/TeamSpeak is hilarious to listen to.

I am aware of a instructed push from some of their members to file numerous petitions to get this account banned, but so far nothing has happened. As long as you stick within the game mechanics and use your own discression and don't take things to far its still all good.

At the end of the day this game is designed to have villains it thrives on them. Just when you are playing the villain remember that there is a person at the other side of the monitor and act accordingly.

Using E1 as a example is ridiculous as what he did clearly went past the line of acceptable

*posting in a not stealthy what so ever - I am a E1 fanboy unban him plox thread
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-04-04 11:15:10 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Silvara Nocturn wrote:
There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal.

Only where people on both sides of the fence don't know how to draw the line.

Playing a villain in game should never lead to out of game consequences or threats if playing the villain is done completely within the rules.

Unfortunately they do occur though because those that think they are in the righteous group, don't know how to draw an appropriate line either.


The whole point of "mob justice" is that it is a mob... disorganised and chaotic.. the punishments delivered by the mob far outweigh any an authoritative figure would give.

Unfortunately it is hard to track anyone down in EVE, and thus the "mob" makes real world threats and attacks.

Ofc all this is bad publicity for CCP, who have a duty to prevent criminal actions arising out of their business practices.

Therefore, one could argue that CCP is liable within a civil court for any act of violence derived as a result of their game in which the rules allow the "internet bullying" and "abuse" of other players.

Infact, this practice is already unlawful in many countries and could lead to heavy fines imposed by a criminal court.
Lady Areola Fappington
#67 - 2014-04-04 11:26:40 UTC
If you want to be the "bad guy" in Eve, it's totally allowed.

To stay on the safe side though, only engage in "bad guy" activities explicitly allowed by CCP. Keep any contact with your marks/targets to an absolute minimum, and keep it firmly in-game.

Example: AWOX for cash. Join the corp, locate mining fleet, wipe it out. Sit in space. The first, last, and only communication you should have with the AWOXed corp is "Pay me X ISK to leave." Say nothing else, respond to nothing else, post nothing else.

If you do it that way, you won't be banned. Hopefully.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#68 - 2014-04-04 11:31:20 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
Unfortunately it is hard to track anyone down in EVE, and thus the "mob" makes real world threats and attacks.

Ofc all this is bad publicity for CCP, who have a duty to prevent criminal actions arising out of their business practices.

Aside from the recent E1 threadnaught, I haven't witnessed much mod justice in the game.

The threats come from individuals more so than groups.

James 315 is about the only other character that seems to attract mod thinking, but most of the players who gank, awox and scam in game face threats from the people they interact with.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#69 - 2014-04-04 11:32:28 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...

No I don't think you should be banned.. I think you should be grabbed by the balls and thrown off the tallest building in a 100 mile radius.. why no further than 100 miles? You aren't worth the petrol.

Hopefully you would have enough time whilst falling in mid-air to think about your actions.


Hypocrit is hypocritical

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#70 - 2014-04-04 12:17:03 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Silvara Nocturn wrote:
There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal.

Only where people on both sides of the fence don't know how to draw the line.

Playing a villain in game should never lead to out of game consequences or threats if playing the villain is done completely within the rules.

Unfortunately they do occur though because those that think they are in the righteous group, don't know how to draw an appropriate line either.


If your playing a villian you have to break some rules or you're not a villian. If it's within game rules than you are breaking some ethical/moral rules. The problem is that morality is subjective and you can never be sure when exactly you have actually crossed the line.

You seem to have the idea that the "good guys" have to play by the rules but they don't. They are only the "good guys" from the perspective of public opinion. if you see behaviour that needs to be addressed you can bring this to the attention of CCP and they will decide how to deal with it. That is all that has happened to Erotica 1. He crossed a line, people didn't like it and he got banned as a result.

You can be one of the "good guys" too, if you think someone has crossed the line, report him/her and see what happens. Apply public pressure as needed.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#71 - 2014-04-04 12:19:46 UTC
It's safe to play the bag guy so long as a manipulative, hacky privileged csm member doesnt start his own personal crusade to make ccp ban you, including inflammatory blog posts that make rather repulsive false equivocations to real life torture, murder, etc

in that case, kiss your account good bye.

You either get banned from the sandbox or live long enough to see it become a themepark
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#72 - 2014-04-04 12:53:42 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...

No I don't think you should be banned.. I think you should be grabbed by the balls and thrown off the tallest building in a 100 mile radius.. why no further than 100 miles? You aren't worth the petrol.

Hopefully you would have enough time whilst falling in mid-air to think about your actions.
So if someone did the exact same bullying to someone that doesn't have suicidal tendencies, what should happen?

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#73 - 2014-04-04 13:17:49 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...


OMG that happened?! Sokhar is dead?

Or does even HE think it was nothing special, that he wasnt tortured, and that the ban is undeserving?

Oh yeah, the second.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#74 - 2014-04-04 13:19:09 UTC
Silvara Nocturn wrote:


If your playing a villian you have to break some rules or you're not a villian.



THIS is why EVE has always BEEN a great game in the past and wont be anymore: The shades of grey the rules USED to be.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#75 - 2014-04-04 13:34:06 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Silvara Nocturn wrote:


If your playing a villian you have to break some rules or you're not a villian.



THIS is why EVE has always BEEN a great game in the past and wont be anymore: The shades of grey the rules USED to be.


You (and others like you) know pretty well that's not true but you're having your fingers in lalala land and play the butt hurt 14 year old role.

Oh well, whatever you're happy with.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#76 - 2014-04-04 13:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Pak Narhoo wrote:
you're having your fingers in lalala land and play the butt


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HAWT

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
#77 - 2014-04-04 13:54:25 UTC
The GAME needs bad guys and gals. Period. The game would be horrible if there was zero risk, zero drama, and all we saw or felt was pretty rainbows.

Having said that, I think the community could use a little work on knowing when something has gone too far. Then it no longer becomes a GAME to all parties included in the situation.

So be bad ... responsibly because this is a game meant to be enjoyed by all parties.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#78 - 2014-04-04 14:15:57 UTC
Sadly, some members of the community, including Ripard, want the zero risk, zero drama themepark. Thats what all this drama is about at the end of the day: A campaign to reduce how big of a d-bag you can be to other players. That's his shtick.

I mean Ripard honestly believes in the concept of isk tanking, and that if his ship cost X, then it should cost you greater than X to kill it.

And players who don't abide by that concept, and use a cheap fit catalysts to kill 250m exhumers, well he'll compare those players to rapists and the like in order to try and make people hate them.

He's the scummiest blogger/csm/whatever I know about, even worse now that he's actively using his visibility to CCP and the wider games media to pressure CCP directly.
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-04-04 14:23:06 UTC
PLAYING the bad guy in game is perfectly fine.
Actually being an evil person and just using the game to pick your victims for torture is not.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#80 - 2014-04-04 14:23:55 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
PLAYING the bad guy in game is perfectly fine.
Actually being an evil person and just using the game to pick your victims for torture is not.


Agreed

Victims should be chosen based on who can run the slowest

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann