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[PIE] Kameira Program
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#161 - 2014-05-22 06:54:00 UTC
For the worse, briefly. Then the tech will be widespread enough to weed out every known genetic disease and malady without sacrificing genetic variety, across entire populations and humanity at large will be better for it. That's often how it goes.

Kuvakei's madness is another example. Taking genius technological advancement and doing the worst conceivable thing with it, yet give us time and we'll see a cluster-wide paradigm shift that'll launch humanity into an age we can't even conceive of.

This has been the case with almost every significant advancement in technology from the moment someone figured out how to bang the rocks together.

Obviously, you guys are still as exotic to me as we eggers are to dirtsiders.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#162 - 2014-05-22 09:28:09 UTC
I grew up with tube-born: The creche was full of them. I don't remember it ever being a source of tension or difference.

Gestation is, after all, a much less formative experience (except in the literal, physical sense) than upbringing.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#163 - 2014-05-22 09:34:21 UTC
Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#164 - 2014-05-22 09:37:19 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Please take derailing arguments to PMs or threads more dedicated to those subjects.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#165 - 2014-05-22 19:51:04 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Please take derailing arguments to PMs or threads more dedicated to those subjects.



The announcement was made. People responded to it in various ways. Now the discussion is evolving organically as good conversations tend to.

Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#166 - 2014-05-22 20:14:22 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.


Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things.

Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#167 - 2014-05-22 20:22:23 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.


Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things.

Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.


You're not my supervisor.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#168 - 2014-05-22 20:29:06 UTC
Threaten him with a bucket and a stick. I'll bet there's some primal trauma there to exploit. In fact, I think I'm going to need a warehouse of these things. Might be able to make me an army if I find the right buttons to push.

Oh wait, no. You did mention they're not Kameiras.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#169 - 2014-05-22 23:07:08 UTC
Aldrith! Your hair has such bounce! You must tell me your secrets!

Also, grr, down with the Empire, all that.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#170 - 2014-05-23 03:37:03 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.


Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things.

Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.

My bad!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#171 - 2014-05-23 07:29:30 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You're not my supervisor.


Carry on.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#172 - 2014-05-23 19:57:38 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.


Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things.

Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.


Yes that is a bit odd isn't it?

I'm curious as to how, exactly, you are retraining elite shock troops for policing and garrison duties. Usually such troopers develop severe discipline issues if removed from the opportunity to be in harms way on a regular basis.

Or so I have been led to understand.

Still if it means Kamerias end up better socialised for mixing with civilians then it can't be a bad thing I suppose.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#173 - 2014-05-23 20:49:46 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.


Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things.

Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.


Yes that is a bit odd isn't it?

I'm curious as to how, exactly, you are retraining elite shock troops for policing and garrison duties. Usually such troopers develop severe discipline issues if removed from the opportunity to be in harms way on a regular basis.

Or so I have been led to understand.

Still if it means Kamerias end up better socialised for mixing with civilians then it can't be a bad thing I suppose.


This is a legitimate concern. Using shock troops in a garrison capacity is a great way to wind up with revolts in the streets, a pile of civilian bodies and severely morale-impaired shock troops.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#174 - 2014-05-23 21:38:11 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all.

That's part of the problem with sociopaths, they never see themselves as one. Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#175 - 2014-05-23 21:38:49 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all.


I know, right?

Katrina Oniseki
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#176 - 2014-05-24 09:22:24 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all.

That's part of the problem with sociopaths, they never see themselves as one. Big smile


Well I'm certainly no psychologist so I really wouldn't know if I fit the criteria or not myself. I certainly feel rather happy and well-adjusted to my present infomorph condition. Then again if others might see me as a sociopath given my present work and the fact I don't tend to say, "Press like if you cry every time you destroy a spaceship," on the IGS, then that is something I do not think I can change nor have an interest to do so.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Raphael Ordo
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#177 - 2014-05-24 17:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Raphael Ordo
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar.


Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things.

Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.


Yes that is a bit odd isn't it?

I'm curious as to how, exactly, you are retraining elite shock troops for policing and garrison duties. Usually such troopers develop severe discipline issues if removed from the opportunity to be in harms way on a regular basis.

Or so I have been led to understand.

Still if it means Kamerias end up better socialised for mixing with civilians then it can't be a bad thing I suppose.


This is a legitimate concern. Using shock troops in a garrison capacity is a great way to wind up with revolts in the streets, a pile of civilian bodies and severely morale-impaired shock troops.


The PIE ground forces, PCLAS, continue to supervise and attend as squad leaders for the Kameiras now under the Praetorian banner. This is to ensure their mental stability before we deploy them elsewhere.

If you had read the first post by Captain Shutaq in this thread, you can see that the soldiers are trained and deployed within the Amarr-Minmatar warzone to secure and protect Amarrian cities and civilians. As we all know, the warzone is hardly a peaceful place at this hour.

A number of them will also be on stand-by to be deployed in to conflict zones:

Quote:

PIE representatives will identify groups of Kameiras that are inappropriately utilized by other capsuleers, negotiate (as appropriate) for their release to PIE jurisdiction, and induct them directly into the alliance’s ground forces.
Considering alliance involvement in the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act Amarr/Minmatar warzone, Kameira units that fall under the PIE banner shall be utilized to secure Amarrian civilian settlements and assets within the warzone and ensure they are protected from the growing threat of clone and conventional ground forces employed by the Tribal Liberation Force, their contractors and their associates.
This will be achieved by deploying set numbers of Kamieras to conflict zones in order to act as special op supplement forces to baseliner military forces and to provide additional training to such forces. PIE Kameira forces will also be tasked with providing/distributing material aid to affected civilian populations and to directly protect said populations when they come under attack.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#178 - 2014-05-28 21:16:30 UTC
A Full Division of 10,500 Kameiras have now joined the PIE re-deployment program from DSTON. After the first Regiment of 3500 joined some time back, preparations have been made and were completed this past week for the other two Regiments of 3500 each to join as well. Special thanks to Captain Scherezad for all her logistics and transportation assistance and to Captain Shutaq for keeping the process smooth and for providing this alternative for these individuals and groups. We appreciate the efforts being made to honor the dignity and values of the Kameiras.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#179 - 2014-05-28 21:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Thank you for all of your support for this program, Mr. Momaki.

The same to everyone who has sent kameiras our way.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#180 - 2014-06-22 08:48:57 UTC
After considerate talks with the Amarr delegation aboard the Arcology, it's been decided that additional Kameiras are transferred to PIE. These several groups of Kameiras have been transferred to Amarr to be turned over to PIE officials.
Through this, Kameira numbers aboard the Arcology are now down to acceptable numbers, they are after all meant to operate in combatsituations.
May they be deployed to defend the Amarr civilians from aggression.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology