Intergalactic Summit

Coming from a hallucinogen addict that's been mentally enslaved by Republic propaganda, that's pretty funny stuff. Meanwhile...

Turning around a lifetime of lies told to the Minmatar does not happen overnight, but any intelligent human can make their own decision after enough time has passed and they are able to get access to the truths previously hidden from them. The fact that the Shakor Regime isolate them and expend them like ammunition in the most dangerous combat roles is something we do not have to explain to them. Once removed from that environment they can use their own intellectual processes to determine what real value the Republic war machine had placed on them.

Faced with God's Truth or the continuing acceptance of a lie most Matari, for example the Kameiras and the entire Ammatar Mandate, select the truth. If you find that hard to believe then I am pretty sure what category you would fit into of these two groups.

And considering the population of the Ammatar Mandate, combined to the number of Matari who have embraced the Faith within the Empire itself, I dare say there are probably more Minmatar loyal to the Empire than to the Republic. Considering how many Matari live in the Federation, Shakor's war plans against them will no doubt result in even more Minmatar fighting against their backwards former kinsmen in the future.

Our advantage is this: The Empire is not a bloodline. Any person who embraces our Faith can join and call themselves a proud Amarrian. They can be from the Federation (as my uncle was), the State (dual-citizenship is common from what I hear), and yes they can even come from Minmatar backgrounds - as the Kameiras and the Mandate both prove. The Nu-Kuni, the Khanid, Ealur, the Udorians, the Ammatar and yes, the Kameiras. The number of "non-Amarrians" in the Empire outnumber the actual "true" Amarrians several times over, yet our government is the most stable in all of New Eden.

That's because "Amarrian" isn't a tribe. It's not something you're born into. It's something you become, just as all these myriad of races have done - the Kameiras are no exception. In fact, they are probably the best example. And if you think you can break down a lifetime of service & devotion to God simply by claiming to have a mutual cousin twenty generations ago and then offering them some breads & trinkets then you're only deluding yourself.

But by all means, keep talking. I love watching how Shakor's lips move when you speak.

Yeah. This is all a lot less cut and dried when I go back and realise your anger was in response to something you heard Diana Kim say about your people. Knowing you were angry and defensive because you were insulted and not because it's your default behaviour, I'm just going to shut up and bow out now - even though I think you mispoke in your anger and that Ayallah's grasp of 'facts' is often affected by the ginormous chip on her shoulder.

I seriously don't see how you and she think that repeating facts I learned when I was knee-high to an MTAC constitutes schooling me in history. The facts quoted support MY interpretation of the Caldari/Gallente war.

None whatsoever.

I do not support the enslavement of my people under any circumstances and will see them free by any means. even peaceful ones believe it or not. Though I do not hold hope that will happen.

But we Kameiras are not like Matari. It is not who we were meant to be or become.

It is often I wish I had not become a capsuleer, that I could return to something as simple as guarding colony worlds from attack.
Every one of us should have that chance. Not just Kameiras but slaves too. The Mandate is not an evil thing and neither are the Matari who choose to not live in the republic, we will change them as much as they have changed us in the end.

The only time I ever felt conflicted about what I was doing was when I flew under you.

I have nothing at all negative to say about the Amarrian religion and have not.

The people who use it to control others however.

And I do not need to be placated to, very far from it. But I will not bend my spine like a willow in the wind to accomplish my goals.

Where did I state you had anything negative to say about the Amarrian religion? I am seeking clarification on your contradicting stance where, on the one had you express your desire to have remained a Kameiras while on the other a staunch opposition towards the Imperial system of slavery. Now, an Amarrian Holder might tell me if this is not the case, but the Kameiras training is not delivered to a free citizen, it is delivered to slaves, and specifically Minmatar slaves. Now this would nominally mean that you were a former slave as a Kameiras. As such when you state an opposition to slavery and then a desire to be a Kameiras then that is essentially equivalent to: "I oppose slavery but given the opportunity I would accept enslavement."

Where then is the connexion between an abolitionist and anti-establishment stance as far as the Empire is concerned and the Kameiras programs that are functional only under a system of religious slavery and the involvement of the feudal-military establishment of the Amarr Empire?

Maleatu Shakor, brutor, tribal, minmatar and leader of his... Republic.
Enemy of the State.

You used the word faith so I assumed your objections were religious in nature. i.e. that slavery is a logical outcome of the Amarrian faith, which it is not.

I see now what you meant and I can understand why you are confused;

Kameiras are not slaves.

And obviously, they can leave whenever they want to and find gainful employment in the service of... well, does it matter?

I have yet to count all the ways people define slaves here on the IGS, but it seems to be a rather wide spectrum of definitions. In mine, the Kameiras are most certainly not free men and women. Not that I think they particularly care themselves at this point. Indoctrination of that level rarely leaves room for anything but stone cold certainty of "how things should be".

Although truth be told i'd rather kill slavery cultists then speak with them I'll engage you in conversation here on IGS. Please do not take that statement as a threat, you may well be a far better combat pilot then I am and would dispatch me to a reanimation clone vat without much effort.

You present conclusions in your statement as if they are fact and I am here to contest them. You do not know that Kameira find profound purpose in fighting for the “empire”, as a former Kameira myself I can attest to the fact that we find seeking perfection in our combat skills our highest calling.

The slavery cultist have created the best warriors humanity has ever seen and we just want to constantly raise that bar.

As far as doing well in other contexts, being removed now for many years from direct ground combat I do sincerely miss it. There is nothing like facing your opponent on the field of combat and vanquishing them with your hand held weapons or simply your hands/ feet.

I have heard rumblings that the technology of clone mercs is being adapted so that a capsuleer like myself will be able to select a clone merc body to jump into and roam the fields of combat freely once again. I look forward to that day.

However I have been very successful as a capsuleer and a CEO/ Alliance leader of a small inconsequential corp & alliance.

Kameira first and foremost are human beings, thanks to the harsh upbringing and the legacy of the eugenics of the H.E.P. we operate at the extreme limits of human abilities but are nonetheless human. Your perspective benign as you think it might be is still biased and condescending, we have the ability to learn and do anything else any human can do.

The better idea you challenged me to present already exists in our repatriation program that allows Kameiras to fight again, if they so choose as clone mercs, with the ability to cheat death on a daily basis when required. If they have the aptitude they can choose to become a capsuleer like i did.

Our program takes years and yes some Kameira return to fight for you slavery cultists, but those we do not grant the status of clone merc to. If you really value them as human beings send them to me and we'll discover who they choose to fight and die for when armed with the truth. As humans they deserve the right to choose who they die for based on all the knowable facts, is was the access to facts that opened my eyes to whom I should use my considerable combat skills against.

Surplus Kameiras are like old Kameiras, a condition that could never exist if you are deploying them properly.