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Who is dictating play choices to whom? Is the miner that gets ganked having his playstyle dictated to him, or is he just ignoring an obvious facet of the game and hoping it will go away? If ganking in hisec were prohibited, would that not be dictating playstyle to the gankers?

Eve has a set of rules, and players have great freedom in playing the game within them. Your choices are yours to make, just don't forget all the circumstances of the environment. Others have their freedom of choice as well, and when those freedoms collide, we get conflict.

THAT is what makes Eve interesting, and a sandbox.



Of course mining and trading in Eve are multiplayer activities. I never said they weren't. I said Sgt Ocker was trying to define the sandbox as a solo one, and that that was the root of his problem.

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Clothing? Ship skin BPCs? For Real? I could care less for those things.

Buddy system to get someone subbed gives you a PLEX. Sure the difference is that they never played before, but isn't a Sub a Sub? In actuality, getting someone to return would be harder as most likely they got pissed off at something about Eve. Thus, a 7 day free game time to check it out again as incentive for them? Meh... I'll take a PLEX for convincing them to try it again... You can give them the clothes and the ship skin stuff cause it's new and different... Heck give them a new painted ship of choice to play with at least if they re-sub. Make it an actual NICE "Welcome Back!" Gift! What would that hurt CCP? More people subbed means more people talking about it = even more subs.

I though Icelandians knew how to fish? If you're gonna fish, use the right bait/lure!

Far from solo. you obviously missed where I said after having played for close to 7 years - I am 1 of the few left out of the group I spent years playing with.
The "only" reason I still have my accounts subbed is due to a few people I enjoy engaging in eve activities with. We can no longer play the game as we used to but still roam together. We keep ourselves pretty much to ourselves because - who wants to try and talk to people who's idea of fun is ganking a rookie ship on a gate in a fleet of 10 or 20 - ewar only so everyone gets on the kill (they call it pvp.. LOL). Spend an hour in Jita where local is no more than spam central for scammers (my trade alt has over 1000 blocked and I have to keep clearing out the old ones to make room for the new) or go to Sov nulsec where RL lawyers have drawn up agreements to ensure the longevity and continued growth of the major coalitions.
If what we have today is the best eve has to offer, the direction it is to continue on. Then it is time for me to unsub and move on, I have hung in this long hoping things might get better that i might just find a place I can play the game without risk of being ridiculed or sworn at or get threatened with real bodily harm by someone I just beat in a pixel fight.

Yes War Kitten, you are right - eve is a public game and as long as they keep letting the public in to play, there will always be this sort of thing. I know things like this prompted many of my eve friends to quit and am not real sure how much longer I am prepared to put up with it.


NB; Did marketing bother to get any player input for this idea or did they just decide it would be a good idea and run with it...

Bleh!

I recalled 2 of my friends back to eve, hoping to get a plex. I used one recall on this toon, and another recall on my other toon, and both resubbed for a month each (yes, they are RL friends).

Saw my redeem items, and I get to choose from a couple of coats?

Bleck! I did not read the print exactly as CCP intended (or, more than likely, not intended), and realized that CCP pulled a Jita scam on me (oh Jita, you are the best educator in all of EVE).....one does not become eligible for a plex until his THIRD recall.

Good luck on this program....I have already discouraged others on the mini-scam (yes, many thought as I did...you would have a choice between the 3 options, not be eligible to for each option as you recall each pilot).

Derp for me, ultimately, derp for CCP, as more pilot figure this out and tune it out.

Cheers,
Faide

If you go to a public sandbox, or even a beach, you can spend your entire day building a magnificent sand castle. But at any point, some jerk could come along and smash it. It's generally frowned upon, but it can happen. I'm sure it periodically does happen. The victim cries and runs to his mum who probably then sits next to him to (try to) prevent it from happening again.

EVE is a sandbox. You can spend your time doing whatever you want. But there is also the possibility that someone will come along and smash whatever you did, because he can also do whatever he wants. The anonymity of the Internet makes it more likely that the jerk will manifest his jerk tendencies here, but that is the risk you take when you play this game. Here, Concord is your mum.

The only argument that I would make is that it is a wee bit easy to destroy a ship worth a couple hundred million with a couple of ships worth single-digit millions in total. But CCP seems happy with that, and since it is their game, I can either accept that and stay or not accept it and leave. I don't shoot rocks, so it doesn't really bother me a great deal.

Edit: And I also echo the sentiment of "Clothes? Really?"

Thanks Faide.

I agree with your point about more prominently displaying the reward graphics and explicitly mentioning the sequential order. This is on my list of immediate changes to be made to the homepage.

We are also open to changing the rewards at any time, just tell me what you want and we'll consider it.

As I mentioned in the dev blog this is really a beta test in April to see if this is something players want, if there are any loopholes that could be exploited and if this genuinely helps old players get back playing with their friends.

So please more requests and more feedback!

I can see the point about the plex: I have heard many a tale of the abuses in the past, and glad this does not allow the same loophole.

When giving a choice, make it a real choice, rather than coat a (male) and coat b (female): you don't have to give us a plex (ok, make the plex for the third recall.....anyone who can get that to happen should deserve the plex!).

A choice in ships (this IS a game about pixel ships ;)
A choice of straight-up isk (graduate it so that it incrementally increases per number of pilots you get to resub)
A choice in implants (we love to get podded with those in our heads)
A choice of skillpoints (oh my, that is rather extravagant, and would probably appeal to younger players)
A choice of AUR (so we can buy clothes or other things)

That's what comes to the top of my head. Neither of the above have to be uber expensive (i.e. about half to 2/3 cost of a plex).

I had two toons (Ephraim and Isaak) each get a friend to resub. I have already taken Isaak and gotten the coat and promptly sold it on the market (about 177 mil isk), and that, imo, is too feeble a isk-valued reward (should be about 300-400 mil isk in value).

Ephraim still has a choice to make, but I am not relenting and getting the coats, and hoping to hold out on possible changes in the choices in the very near future (although it would look good on me.....spring fashion is all the rage these days).

Cheers,
Faide

Ok, i know I'm way late replying to this, but what you have laid out isn't much different than bringing a new player in, except, you get a PLEX straight away. This shouldn't be any different. You wisely put a 6 month minimum, and I'm sure you could make it a one time only deal for that returning account. Someone is still paying a month's fee, covering the PLEX given. The Reward IS the free 30 days as it has been for bringing a new player in. By what you've said, this is a loophole... For who? The established Player that stopped paying on one of his accounts long ago? But now with this deal he'd pay a month to get a PLEX so he can what? Technically get a month free on one account and that old account maybe just screw around with for the 1 month free he "sneakily" got? Is that the danger? Really?

Now if someone is that inclined to cheat CCP with 1 account, one time, they'll still "cheat" you just as much with 3 old accounts. You do realize those that have many multiple accounts... Not just have 2 or 3, but those with 10 - 30, most likely ISK funded accounts is more the threat with your statement.

But don't forget your Goal here... Bringing back those who at some point 1) had damaging experience with Eve and Quit, or 2) for one reason or another by finances, hardware or location could no longer play. So what you are asking us to do is to reach out "as a known friend to them" to entice them back. If we succeed, you get at least 1 month, but in most cases it will be longer. And the Enticer gets only virtual clothes on the first success. What a bargain for you CCP!

If this cheap carrot is how you want to treat us, your continuing client base... You're not exactly supporting us with confidence. Do you get my meaning? What's more important to you? Worrying about a very thin loophole? Or supporting those that would be doing the job of getting old players to return again... Because Eve is better now... CCP is better now... Wait, are they? Tell us... Are you?

There is a picture in the lower right hand corner of the recall program webpage. Someone tell me what that ship is leading the other two. I recognize the other two but the front one has me stumped.

my friend sended me a recall invite while it worked on this account it didnt on the others

account 1 last paid on 10/15/2013
account 2 last paid on 11/02/2013

(this accoutn 10/08/2013)

why wont those other account get accepted?