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Why I won't be subscribing to EVE...
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Kalena Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-03 15:27:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalena Solette
Firstly, I was really liking the game, even though it is a little overwhelming to noobies like myself. Sadly though, after I bought an Iteron ship, and sold then most of my things (including my Atron ship) to pay for the required Gallente Industrial Skill, I was met with a big fat 'NOT AVAILABLE TO TRIAL ACCOUNTS' message from nowhere when I tried to learn the skill. Why can I buy the ship but not use it as a trial account? This is a really silly thing to do, and has badly ruined my enjoyment of the game.. :/

Also, not allowing trial accounts to post in any section (apart from this one as far as I can tell), especially the tech support forum, is stupid.

Anyway, rant over. I would have very likely subscribed had it not been for these couple of issues. Your loss CCP!
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#2 - 2014-04-03 15:35:44 UTC
Since I already have the industrial skillbook, can I have your Iteron ?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-04-03 15:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
so you wont leave the trial because your unhappy with the restrictions of being in a trial account?
the cost of a month in eve is the same as a nice bottle of wine or will last me an hour in a pub, its fairly cost effective entertainment.
id say sub for a month at least given you started the op with " Firstly, I was really liking the game,"


"especially the tech support forum is stupid."
ill give you that.

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Lazy Eye
Accelerated Cognition
#4 - 2014-04-03 15:41:01 UTC
Kalena Solette wrote:
Firstly, I was really liking the game, even though it is a little overwhelming to noobies like myself. Sadly though, after I bought an Iteron ship, and sold then most of my things (including my Atron ship) to pay for the required Gallente Industrial Skill, I was met with a big fat 'NOT AVAILABLE TO TRIAL ACCOUNTS' message from nowhere when I tried to learn the skill. Why can I buy the ship but not use it as a trial account? This is a really silly thing to do, and has badly ruined my enjoyment of the game.. :/

Also, not allowing trial accounts to post in any section (apart from this one as far as I can tell), especially the tech support forum, is stupid.

Anyway, rant over. I would have very likely subscribed had it not been for these couple of issues. Your loss CCP!


So you won't subscribe because of two issues that would both be 100% resolved... by subscribing?

I think that both issues you brought up (especially not being able to post in technical support) are valid things that CCP should be made aware of as problematic for the new player experience. However, if you really enjoyed the game other than those problems, it seems a bit silly to stop playing the game because of them... especially when they both become non issues the moment you subscribe.

Best of luck whatever you ultimately decide.
Kalena Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-04-03 15:41:47 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Since I already have the industrial skillbook, can I have your Iteron ?


It cost me 350K. I will happily sell it to you at that price.
Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-03 15:41:49 UTC
It's limited because it's a ship which can have major impact on the economy. It prevents older players from creating sock-puppet trial accounts to move their **** around with.

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Busty Honeydew
The Blue Max Headroom
#7 - 2014-04-03 15:41:58 UTC
I will have to check when I get home, but last I looked the descriptions for the industrial skills did have a message saying 'not allowed on trial accounts'. This is done to avoid people rolling throw away hauling toons rather than paying.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-04-03 15:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
its easy to make expensive mistakes in eve.

you shoule be more careful when interacting with the market.

check that there are no restrictions on the skills u buy. the restrictions are usually in the descriptions tab, i believe, of the show info menu.

also check that u will have enough pg and cpu for any modules u buy. EFT/Pyfa works wonders for this last part.

you know u could always just sell the ship and skill book back to the market? sure u might lose a bit of cash but at least you wont be completely broke.
Kalena Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-03 15:46:48 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
so you wont leave the trial because your unhappy with the restrictions of being in a trial account?
the cost of a month in eve is the same as a nice bottle of wine or will last me an hour in a pub, its fairly cost effective entertainment.
id say sub for a month at least given you started the op with " Firstly, I was really liking the game,"


"especially the tech support forum is stupid."
ill give you that.


I'm not entirely sure yet lol. This is a game that takes a LOT of time to get into (I have 13 days left out of 14). The reason I find it so annoying is because it lets you buy the ship as a trial account, but gives absolutely no warning that you cannot use it as such.

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-04-03 15:51:04 UTC
yeah theres a steep learning curve, but you learn from ur mistakes.

It might seem like a game breaking mistake to you now but trust me thats nothing.

just sell you ship and the skill book and look at the descriptions, fittings and requirements tabs before buying anyhting next time.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2014-04-03 15:58:35 UTC
I purchased a full year subscription within an hour of creating my first character.

That was over 5 years ago. I have 5 paid accounts because I enjoy EVE so much.

I'd recommend subscribing for at least a month, preferably at least 3 months, unless you already know it isn't your cup of tea.

Good luck wherever you land o7
Lazy Eye
Accelerated Cognition
#12 - 2014-04-03 16:01:35 UTC
Kalena Solette wrote:
The reason I find it so annoying is because it lets you buy the ship as a trial account, but gives absolutely no warning that you cannot use it as such.



One reason to let you buy the ship even though you cannot fly it is because there are other reasons to buy ships. You might buy it at a great price and then sell it for a profit. By not allowing people to buy things they cannot use, you prevent them from trading which is one of the main occupations in the game.

Would it be groovy if there was some sort of warning that popped up saying something like, "you cannot use this item on a trial account, are you sure that you wish to buy it?" Sure it would! (If you could turn it off) But you also have to think about how much work that would take and if that is the best use of limited resources.
Kalena Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-04-03 16:02:41 UTC
Dreadchain wrote:
It's limited because it's a ship which can have major impact on the economy. It prevents older players from creating sock-puppet trial accounts to move their **** around with.


Ok, so why can you still buy the ship as a trial account? It just creates confusion and annoyance!
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#14 - 2014-04-03 16:05:23 UTC
Well OP does have a point in that maybe trial restricted skill books could be separated with 'road block' graphics over them.
Other option would be to add in a 'trial filter' that only shows skills on market that can be trained on a trial account and leave it as default for trial accounts (as a filter setting that is).

On the other hand this problem only troubles a tiny amount of the populace as the rest have learned to read the skill descriptions before buying.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2014-04-03 16:07:30 UTC
Kalena Solette wrote:
Dreadchain wrote:
It's limited because it's a ship which can have major impact on the economy. It prevents older players from creating sock-puppet trial accounts to move their **** around with.


Ok, so why can you still buy the ship as a trial account? It just creates confusion and annoyance!


because you can buy any item you have isk for and you also have the liberty of putting those items back to market at a higher price or sell those to other players directly.
Kalena Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-04-03 16:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalena Solette
Baneken wrote:
Well OP does have a point in that maybe trial restricted skill books could be separated with 'road block' graphics over them.
Other option would be to add in a 'trial filter' that only shows skills on market that can be trained on a trial account and leave it as default for trial accounts (as a filter setting that is).

On the other hand this problem only troubles a tiny amount of the populace as the rest have learned to read the skill descriptions before buying.


You're kind of right about reading the item description before buying (I had actually done this for pretty much everything before though), but as I had no clear prior warning that restrictions even existed beforehand, I think I can be excused for not seeing it coming. If there needs to be restrictions for whatever reason, they really should handle it better and make it clearly known. Noobies are buying ships to fly them, not to sell on for a profit. And I suspect CCP know that lol! :P
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#17 - 2014-04-03 16:14:16 UTC
To answer your question about limits to trial subscriptios, they simply exist to prevent abuse.

Industrials were mentioned above already and limiting trial users to this part of the forums to post also keeps spam limited to a place which is quite heavily monitored. Older players probably still recall the epidemic of posts inviting forum users to find out for themselves just what kind of things Audrey Britany can do with her WII-controller.
Needless to say, CCP had a lot of work to do to restore all those keylogger-highjacked accounts to their rightful owners in the months afterwards....

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Kalena Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-04-03 16:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalena Solette
Nerath Naaris wrote:
To answer your question about limits to trial subscriptios, they simply exist to prevent abuse.

Industrials were mentioned above already and limiting trial users to this part of the forums to post also keeps spam limited to a place which is quite heavily monitored. Older players probably still recall the epidemic of posts inviting forum users to find out for themselves just what kind of things Audrey Britany can do with her WII-controller.
Needless to say, CCP had a lot of work to do to restore all those keylogger-highjacked accounts to their rightful owners in the months afterwards....


Ok, that makes sense mostly, but restricting the Tech Support section doesn't.

What can Audrey Brittany do with a Wii controller anyway? You have got me curious now! :P
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-04-03 16:33:41 UTC
Kalena Solette wrote:
Firstly, I was really liking the game, even though it is a little overwhelming to noobies like myself. Sadly though, after I bought an Iteron ship, and sold then most of my things (including my Atron ship) to pay for the required Gallente Industrial Skill, I was met with a big fat 'NOT AVAILABLE TO TRIAL ACCOUNTS' message from nowhere when I tried to learn the skill. Why can I buy the ship but not use it as a trial account? This is a really silly thing to do, and has badly ruined my enjoyment of the game.. :/

Also, not allowing trial accounts to post in any section (apart from this one as far as I can tell), especially the tech support forum, is stupid.

Anyway, rant over. I would have very likely subscribed had it not been for these couple of issues. Your loss CCP!


Yeah. Giving players the option to shitpost on all forums and make free hauling alts wont be exploited to hell and back.


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Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-03 16:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanzbar
Kalena Solette wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
so you wont leave the trial because your unhappy with the restrictions of being in a trial account?
the cost of a month in eve is the same as a nice bottle of wine or will last me an hour in a pub, its fairly cost effective entertainment.
id say sub for a month at least given you started the op with " Firstly, I was really liking the game,"


"especially the tech support forum is stupid."
ill give you that.


I'm not entirely sure yet lol. This is a game that takes a LOT of time to get into (I have 13 days left out of 14). The reason I find it so annoying is because it lets you buy the ship as a trial account, but gives absolutely no warning that you cannot use it as such.




they put as few resrictions on it as possible, there are reasons to buy an iterion even if you cant fly it yourself, you may be trying to pay somone to ship them to a location where you can turn a profit on selling them, or just buying it and seting it asside for when you are not on trial.
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