Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK, so I didn't search the forums, so apparently that makes me rude. but really? rather than people just kicking up a stink because "oh he committed such a crime and didn't search the forums" than rather than just flame that person for that maybe just answer the post with an opinion, as some people have.

You know I get the feeling that is all some people do, someone posts something > bunches of people then search the forums to make sure they can find that subject matter so they can flame that person for not searching to forums > then they flame that person. I wonder if people are more annoyed with my suggestion or the fact I didn't search... and if i did search but didn't find anything do I need to put a disclaimer at the beginning of my post something like "I searched on X search criteria but couldn't find X"

That's fine though, I get how it works here now, almost as bad as jita local. but hey my mistake.

Yea, CCP business model is keep them training and if they knew what they were training for is crap, well they'd leave.

They are probably the only game that does not allow respec of any type.

Their theory is if their player base knew how crappy it is to have that new ship, etc, they wouldn't play anymore, for the same reason they don't have accelerated training on the test server anymore.

Personally I think respecs would bring a lot of players back to the game, and keep more in game longer, but if this is how they want to run it, it's their game......

I have had several characters with this problem. The biggest one was from 2003. I sold him in 2007 or 08. I forget which. Out of the roughly 90M SP he had at the time, about 30-35M SP would have considered wasted among science skills which I no longer used once they stopped doing the T2 lottery (if anyone remembers that), mining skills were wasted since I no longer needed to mine to make money like nearly everyone had to 2003, and production which was also no longer necessary since I stopped building things years prior after some further changes, and not to mention the ships that I stopped flying and weapons I stopped using once I learned how they worked and/or changes that were made that made me like them less. Unfortunately I sold him because my clone costs were outrageous and 2 months after I sold him, they lowered clone costs. Although the wasted SP would definitely be bothering me today as would clone costs. I no longer fly battleships or capital ships and stick to frigates or battlecruisers. My clone would still cost as much as a BC by now if I still had him even with the now reduced costs.

I have another example. This year I returned to the game by buying another character. He had about 23M SP out of 78M wasted that I wouldn't use. I sold him later partly because of that once I got reaquainted with what ships I like (it hasn't changed since I was a full time player really) and because I slowly grew to dislike the name which CCP doesn't let you change.

The same is also true of this character but not to the same level. The SP that CCP gave in the free battlecruiser and destroyer skills fairly recently is wasted SP for this character because I don't have the associated weaponry for them nor will I be training them because I don't like them. All the free skills did is drive up my clone cost. And no, you can't petition to have them removed. I would have liked to have had the option to not get those skills.

Sometimes SP are wasted thanks to changes CCP itself makes. This has been true since the game started.

It would be easy to control now. Do it like the remaps where it is only available a couple times in a year or only once per year. That way you don't have people doing it on a whim.

I don't really see any difference between that and buying a toon and selling the one you have.

They shouldn't allow selling of characters then.

Oh, but they can beg, oh get your friends to resub and we'll give you 7 days 'free' game time.

https://secure.eveonline.com/recallprogram/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=recall%20program&utm_campaign=recall%20program

Point is, if they want people to play the game, they will give them something to play with. Simple as that.

People change their game play after a while, and if they need to sit around and train for it, again, it's more likely they will just go play a different game. Obviously they don't see it that way, so it's their loss.

Personally, I have nothing I really want to train, or that would make any impact on the way I play.

This idea is bad and you should feel bad. EVE has consequences, and you should have to live with your mistakes. Besides, no SP is wasted because you could always do whatever it is you were training to do. Needing all your skills right now is an illusion, trust me after a while you run out of interesting things to train.

As the Taoists say, "The journey is the reward".

However, for the sake of comedy, I am going to play the devil's advocate and talk about the awesome advantages of skill reassignment!

WARNING: Incoming sarcasm.

By allowing skills to be readily reassigned bitter veteran players, like myself, who have 60m, 80m, 120m, and higher SP will be able to easily respec to the FOTM setup. Gone would be the days of having to worry about training for new fleet doctrines, because I could just respec to whatever the FC orders that minute and be the best insert role here you've ever seen.

Not just that, but if we combine this awesome skill reassignment ability with Mobile Depots and Carrier / Orca hangers, the elite PVP possibilities are endless. Think of the awesome Youtube videos that could be made! A bold new era of elite PVP would be at hand, one which is rightfully inaccessible to those plebian noobs who don't have the SP to take advantage of it.

I hope you can see the problems with these kinds of proposals.