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Small AAR

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Shelom Severasse
The Disney World Federation
Fraternity.
#1 - 2014-04-03 05:57:40 UTC
is anyone else noticing how extremely expensive these things are getting? almost cost prohibitive.

due to the nature of eve pvp, mostly frigates are flown in low sec, so the demand for the small aar compared to the medium and large is much higher.

if you are brawling, you are more than likely active tanked (active > buffer), and with frigates, the metagame is to go in with everything o/h.

this ideology can also be applied to armor reppers; since the aar frontloads repping power it is essentially a t2 small repper that has the same* repping power as a medium t2 repper (for 8 cycles)

so basically the aar is way better than the t2 variant and should definitely be more expensive.

but 2.9m-3.3m for a FRIGATE sized module? and is yet increasing? i do not believe so. (side note: as the aar prices go up, the prices of nanite paste will go down as less people will use it so i guess thats kind of a win)

but

would it totally mess with pvp as we know it if the drop rate for the BPC for small aar's was increased? not by much, but enough so that a t1 frig with t2 fittings and aar (counting cargo so ammo and nanite) isnt a 14m kill? i mean at that point you might as well only fly AFs as 2 t1 frigs @ 14m will pay for the hull. (maybe 14m is a bit on the high end but i have a few tormentor losses that are quite painful for a t1 frig)

thoughts?


* not exactly, but close
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2014-04-03 06:49:40 UTC
Yeah I have noticed this as well and it would definitely be nice to see a reduction in the price of SAARs. I always wondered why it's so expensive, are the drops really that rare? ASBs are obtained in a similar manner if I'm not mistaken and those are pretty cheap comparatively.
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#3 - 2014-04-03 07:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaea Astridsson
AFAIK, these BPC's are random drops from scan sites. The reason the small ones are expensive is most likely due to the fact alot of frigates use them and get blown up constantly. Much like the Medium Ancillary Shield booster has a nice price tag compared to the other sized ones.

You want them cheaper? Scan down some sites and build them yourself. The market has spoken.

Get on Comms, or die typing.

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2014-04-03 07:48:57 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
AFAIK, these BPC's are random drops from scan sites. The reason the small ones are expensive is most likely due to the fact alot of frigates use them and get blown up constantly. Much like the Medium Ancillary Shield booster has a nice price tag compared to the other sized ones.

You want them cheaper? Scan down some sites and build them yourself. The market has spoken.


Even if you build them yourself and get them cheaper, you're incurring an oopportunity cost of the profit you would make by selling them on the market, so they are not actually 'cheaper'.

However you make a good point, market forces in Eve are very important and though I would like cheaper SAARs, the market has spoken and I doubt CCP would interfere just to make it cheaper.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#5 - 2014-04-03 07:51:18 UTC
Last I checked most of the Ancillary reppers weren't worth making even if you randomly got the BPC as you got more profit from selling the minerals directly.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-03 07:54:50 UTC
*points at meta4 Damage Controls, Webs and Scrams...* LolLolLolLol

http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif

Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2014-04-03 08:13:25 UTC
Mineral cost of building one run SAAR ~10k
Sell price for module, ~1 900 000.

Want to remember the copies having at least three runs to them.

And Dato yes, it's not "cheaper" to build them yourself as you loose the chance to sell them. Bad formulation from my part. Don't want more miner/producers thinking minerals is free just because they mined them themselves.

Point being, you cannot arbritarily lower prices like that. Doing so would surely make some scanner out there sad seeing the paper he was just selling is now worthless.

Get on Comms, or die typing.

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2014-04-03 08:19:10 UTC
Luwc wrote:
*points at meta4 Damage Controls, Webs and Scrams...* LolLolLolLol


Those are completely different as they have numerous alternative modules, meta 1-3, faction, T2 etc. All 3 are also quite valuable because they are better than T2 (except Meta 4 DCU which has significant fitting benefits but slightly less resists). SAARs have no alternative modules, no meta, no T2, so you're stuck with only this one option if you want a SAAR.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#9 - 2014-04-03 10:18:14 UTC
Small AAR is one of the very few remaining exploration BPCs that is not unprofitable to build. All of the exploration BPCs should drop less often, rather than in the plethora they do now.
Anneke Tersis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-04-03 11:23:58 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Small AAR is one of the very few remaining exploration BPCs that is not unprofitable to build. All of the exploration BPCs should drop less often, rather than in the plethora they do now.


+1
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#11 - 2014-04-03 12:28:41 UTC
2mill is nothing on a frig. Stop complaining.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#12 - 2014-04-03 15:31:13 UTC
Supply and demand.

If you don't feel comfortable to pay 2m more so your glass cannon stand longer than 10 seconds, come up with a fit that will work with a T2 repper :)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2014-04-03 16:40:38 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Last I checked most of the Ancillary reppers weren't worth making even if you randomly got the BPC as you got more profit from selling the minerals directly.


15,941,998 isk/hour if you can keep a line running. I'd say that's worth making. MASBs make a paltry 5mil isk/hour in comparison. The others are crap though.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#14 - 2014-04-03 17:17:45 UTC
It's just that the small AAR is the premier ideal fits-all-frigs tanking module that is - given the duration of a frigduel - a must-have.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#15 - 2014-04-03 17:29:09 UTC
What i wanna know is that.. can a bpo of the saar be found in relic/data sites?

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#16 - 2014-04-03 17:36:57 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
What i wanna know is that.. can a bpo of the saar be found in relic/data sites?




What do you think...
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-04-04 08:01:31 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Luwc wrote:
*points at meta4 Damage Controls, Webs and Scrams...* LolLolLolLol


Those are completely different as they have numerous alternative modules, meta 1-3, faction, T2 etc. All 3 are also quite valuable because they are better than T2 (except Meta 4 DCU which has significant fitting benefits but slightly less resists). SAARs have no alternative modules, no meta, no T2, so you're stuck with only this one option if you want a SAAR.


ehhhh T2 is another option...

some people prefer T2 on their vengeance for example... since once the AAR runs out of nanite repair paste your repping power drops by a lot...

http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif

Alek Azam
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-04-04 09:09:56 UTC
By Jove I've got it!

Buy a legion armor booster and use the T2 repper!

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Twitter: @_Alek_Azam_

Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-04-04 09:16:00 UTC
Shelom Severasse wrote:
is anyone else noticing how extremely expensive these things are getting? almost cost prohibitive.

due to the nature of eve pvp, mostly frigates are flown in low sec, so the demand for the small aar compared to the medium and large is much higher.

if you are brawling, you are more than likely active tanked (active > buffer), and with frigates, the metagame is to go in with everything o/h.

this ideology can also be applied to armor reppers; since the aar frontloads repping power it is essentially a t2 small repper that has the same* repping power as a medium t2 repper (for 8 cycles)

so basically the aar is way better than the t2 variant and should definitely be more expensive.

but 2.9m-3.3m for a FRIGATE sized module? and is yet increasing? i do not believe so. (side note: as the aar prices go up, the prices of nanite paste will go down as less people will use it so i guess thats kind of a win)

but

would it totally mess with pvp as we know it if the drop rate for the BPC for small aar's was increased? not by much, but enough so that a t1 frig with t2 fittings and aar (counting cargo so ammo and nanite) isnt a 14m kill? i mean at that point you might as well only fly AFs as 2 t1 frigs @ 14m will pay for the hull. (maybe 14m is a bit on the high end but i have a few tormentor losses that are quite painful for a t1 frig)

thoughts?


* not exactly, but close

Wow, someone has less ISK than I do.



Seriously though, less than I do.



For real this time, SAARs have become pretty much the standard fitting and given the limited nature of the module the price will respond to the demand. You will know when it becomes cost prohibitive when people stop buying them and the market is allowed to get much more competition going which will drive the price down. In the meantime even 3 mil isn't that much to spend unless you somehow have less ISK than I do.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#20 - 2014-04-04 09:59:35 UTC
The market is always right. Demand increased as people began to realise how good they are which affects prices. Economy 101, HTFU etc.
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