These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Does everything end up with fighting?

Author
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-04-15 08:51:44 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

EVE was pitched wrong. EVE is: You can try to do what you like. Just because you try to do something, doesn't mean you're entitled to success. In EVE, the challenges you face almost always come from other players, hence why it's a PvP game and anyone that plays it needs to either embrace it, or play in a way they don't fall victim to it.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2014-04-15 13:24:21 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

EVE was pitched wrong. EVE is: You can try to do what you like. Just because you try to do something, doesn't mean you're entitled to success. In EVE, the challenges you face almost always come from other players, hence why it's a PvP game and anyone that plays it needs to either embrace it, or play in a way they don't fall victim to it.

Well, it's not really pitched wrong though. "Do what you like" means exactly that.

It doesn't mean you will have the knowledge, experience, tenacity, will or drive to succeed. Just means the option is there.

It also means that other players can do what they like.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2014-04-15 13:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
Marc Callan wrote:
Seriously, though:

There's competition all over the place; it's a sad fact in EVE.

Why is the presence of competition a sad fact?

EDIT: Sorry might have sounded a bit antagonistic there. I generally agree with your post, but just wondering why you would considering competition to be a bad thing.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2014-04-15 13:34:54 UTC
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:
If a person jumped into EVE because they thought it was a really in-depth space sim, and didn't look past the surface, I can see how they'd be VERY surprised when the true nature of the game was fully realized.

Well, it IS a really in-depth space sim though. Space sim doesn't mean mollycoddled safety. The simulator includes baddies who are played by real people and have the intelligence of real players, instead of scripted AI, isn't that realistic enough in a sim?

Agree with the rest of your post in general though.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2014-04-15 15:39:21 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
If you think you can just turn on your mining lasers and go take a nap, however, expect PvP to come to you while you are sleeping.


For no other reason than because we can. Right.

Well too late for your scavenging, all of my resources are now in the empty void where abandoned characters go, along with the deleted files on my hard drive.

Why am i still here? I guess out of sheer amazement of how low people can sink when there is nobody there to govern them.
As a social experiment, EVE sure makes the worst in people come through.


Do you also tell people that shoot at you in a standard shooter game that they are a-holes?
Eve is a role playing game and lots of people play different roles on different chars.
Eve is a game where your team mates can betray you at any time and thus trust becomes a valuable commodity. If you do betray /steal etc then often the consquences will follow you for the rest of eve. These conequences may be good or bad for you depending on the other players.
We create our own storylines and sometimes they are known to just a few around us and sometimes they reverberate across eve.
Everyone is free to ATTEMPT to play the way they want and everyone else is free to try and stop them.
Personally i find that peoples experience in eve says more about them than the people around them. People with good social skills who learn quickly and adapt find great pleasure in eve. People who tend to react to the new with hostility and cursing tend to find eve a unpleasant place.
Dear OP with your level of negativity , hostility, aggression and entitlement i worry that anyone allowed you to carry a gun.......
Luckily i live in a country where we don't allow people to carry guns (including 99% of the police) as we are observant enough to have spotted that people with guns sometimes shoot other people and that this helps no one.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85