Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If he isn't there then he isn't a threat. And if he stays in that system all the time just don't go in there. I'm assuming that your in highsec. If so just move as it appear you already have. If the scout notices that he has moved then bingo he isn't afk anymore.

Maybe this weekend you can beat him on before downtime. Until then just remain aware.

The change you propose would kill this profession.

Also if you can't beat them join them. Make an alt sometime and try it out. Might find out it's a great way to make eve a little more fun.

I agree. As CEO, you should be able to fire the guy straight off. But to protect from other forms of abuse, the player currently has to be docked to kick them. This should be changed and I like the idea for this change:

Have someone who refuses to dock and is smart enough to avoid being baited? CEO can kick them regardless of where they are. Only, if they are in space, they are removed after 24 hours at the next downtime.

Good idea.

You can kick them after down time. I'd honestly be impressed if someone would take the inititive to beat you on just to spew obscenities.

And part of the awox experience is to hold the corp for ransom to leave. This change would end that.

Yes there are some that do it just to kill as many targets as possible, harvest the most tears, but just because they can do these other things doesn't make holding the corp for ransom any less of a reason to do it.

Good. First and foremost, they just betrayed you - so how can you trust that they're going to honor the ransom? You can't, and they never do - it's the AWOX equivalent of the "bonus round". Second, why should a CEO have to wait off-peak for downtime in the vain hopes of logging before the AWOX'er and managing to kick him? He shouldn't, and a determined AWOX'er has a better than 50-50 chance of beating it since he can both logoff and logon in space. Finally, more often than not the corporation is forced to simply block the individual due to the numerous taunts, vulgarities and other profanities that accompany a post-AWOX - usually in an attempt to further humiliate the victim and extract tears.

CEOs and directors of a corporation should be able to kick whomever whenever and wherever they want. And if that ends the "crying game", well… tough. This infantile game mechanic exists for no other reason than to fulfill the self-serving interests of a bunch of delinquents. It's not sandbox and it's not even sand trap; it's quicksand.

Exactly, I am in control of the corporation as CEO. If I want you gone, you should be packing your Megathron models into that cardboard box and heading out the door. The peon hireling for a corporation should not have any say as to the duration of his employment with a corp outside of leaving it himself. "Emergent gameplay" as an excuse wears thin quickly.

I also reached that presumption.

Which is why the OP is saying boot at down time, this would prevent such shenanigans. :)

Or, you could just bother screening your potential recruits.

Not being necessary (or possible), is a good reason. Do you actually know why you can't kick players in open space?

Oh, and if you're proposing change, the onus is on you to prove the need for it. I don't need the defend the status quo, it exists already. You have to justify changing it. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Yes, from what I recall it used to be this way. Like everything else, someone figured out a way to abuse it and it was changed to the current mechanic. And no, it's impossible to avoid a determined AWOX'er - this is another myth continuously perpetuated by the AWOX'ing community. I'm going to go one further with the OP's suggestion:

1. It's a suspect offense to shoot a corps member outside of a fleet.
2. It's a criminal offense (CONCORD) to kill a corps member.
3. Killing a corps member automatically results in corps eviction.

Problem solved. The mechanic can't be abused to kick corps members in space and AWOX'ers can still have their fun and "ransom" the victim's ship. Neutrals can provide logistics but receive a suspect flag (as they should), and if the AWOX'er kills the ship he gets CONCORD'ed and immediately dropped from the corps.

Hence the requirement that there is a time delay between when the CEO kicks and the kicking takes effect.

Full APIs are not a silver bullet to the issue. They don't guarantee that you are dealing with a clean alt of a known AWOXer.

I hate to do this, but this suggestion actually made sense to me as a reasonable fix to address people helping AWOXERS with impunity.

There is another method to deal with AWOXers that could be added: An in-Corp PvP toggle. The CEO can enable specific people for PvP within the corp or disable them. If they are disabled, they cannot be attacked or attack freely within the corp. If they are enabled they can attack and be attacked freely within the corp. Default would be enabled. If the player is toggled on or off from PvP, they are notified and given 24 hours before the change takes effect.