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Isoboxing gankers.
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Kathtrine
My Dot Corp
#21 - 2014-04-03 07:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathtrine
Tear Jar wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
our tear cups may run dry.


You have persuaded me to support ISboxer.


Irony? CODE supporting a BOT tool?

Even I am apposed to any Macro-Mining/Ganking or other use of a device that is outside the game that directly effects gameplay.

CCP ban ISboxer please.


EDIT: for clarity.

[b]If your griefing about EvE online and still paying for it, your hooked and CCP has done thier job.

Now go blow somebodies ship up and stop whining about whatever your are lacking.[/b]
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#22 - 2014-04-03 09:11:35 UTC
X = the number of active accounts needed to successfully gank using ISBox (even if PLEXed, CCP still gets paid)...
Y = the number of accounts that ragequit due to being ganked
Z = the estimated number of subscrips that don't sign-up due to negative press/buzz of ganking

Only when X < (Y + Z) will CCP actually give a damn. Same thing applies to ISBoxing miners, Slowcats, or w/e.

It's not about "fair" or "unfair". It's about CCP making money.
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#23 - 2014-04-03 09:46:47 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
X = the number of active accounts needed to successfully gank using ISBox (even if PLEXed, CCP still gets paid)...
Y = the number of accounts that ragequit due to being ganked
Z = the estimated number of subscrips that don't sign-up due to negative press/buzz of ganking

Only when X < (Y + Z) will CCP actually give a damn. Same thing applies to ISBoxing miners, Slowcats, or w/e.

It's not about "fair" or "unfair". It's about CCP making money.



Without money eve wouldn't excist, keep that in mind ;)

however in my corp we all triplebox without ISboxer and can handle that, using this as selfish example i just want to say, that you can do the same things without ISboxer ;) it really doesn't make that HUGE difference to be honest,it depends on how you setup your eve clients.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-04-03 10:59:28 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Dreadchain wrote:


I'd go as far as to encourage people to isobox gank so CCP has to ban such software.



If I had the hardware necessary to run ISObox with a lot of accounts, and the accounts to run, I would be running a one-person hellcamp somewhere for exactly that reason.



I thought of it too, but I really don't want to risk getting struck with the ban hammer if CCP decides to swing it without giving a heads up first.

"Surely they wouldn't do that?!?!". Well, I wouldn't put any money on it....
Jediir Janau
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-04-03 13:31:10 UTC
Eve tears are the best tears. They have more substance to them than little COD or WOW kids'. Big smile
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#26 - 2014-04-03 13:43:04 UTC
Kathtrine wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
our tear cups may run dry.


You have persuaded me to support ISboxer.


Irony? CODE supporting a BOT tool?

Even I am apposed to any Macro-Mining/Ganking or other use of a device that is outside the game that directly effects gameplay.

CCP ban ISboxer please.


EDIT: for clarity.


It was a joke. IN seriousness, I mildly dislike ISboxer. As far as the Code is concerned, its not a botting tool, as the player has to be at their keyboard when using it. However, it may violate the "excessive mining" provision of the Code.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#27 - 2014-04-03 22:22:17 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:

It was a joke. IN seriousness, I mildly dislike ISboxer. As far as the Code is concerned, its not a botting tool, as the player has to be at their keyboard when using it. However, it may violate the "excessive mining" provision of the Code.


It definitely breaches the spirit of the CODE. I should ask James to change the letter of the CODE to make that clearer.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-04-04 02:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Dalto Bane
Roll Oh it's this thread again for the 2000th time. Keep crying and when they ban ISBoxer, I will have a reason to use my VPN and offset my keystroke .5-1 seconds and continue to use ISBoxer.. ISBoxer does not do anything except map keys to multiple clients, customize display, and throttle fps on background clients. As far as macros, go ahead and ban AHK and macro'ed decks and mice too so we can all go back to standard keyboards and two button mice. Right? Now if a player is using isxEve with ISBoxer, then by all means, that player should be banned!

Drops Mic
Illiana Freir
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#29 - 2014-04-04 06:53:52 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
Roll Oh it's this thread again for the 2000th time. Keep crying and when they ban ISBoxer, I will have a reason to use my VPN and offset my keystroke .5-1 seconds and continue to use ISBoxer.. ISBoxer does not do anything except map keys to multiple clients, customize display, and throttle fps on background clients. As far as macros, go ahead and ban AHK and macro'ed decks and mice too so we can all go back to standard keyboards and two button mice. Right? Now if a player is using isxEve with ISBoxer, then by all means, that player should be banned!

Well I did not start the thread as a 'Plix CCP Ban all the ones making more ISKis then me.'
I have just seen a lot of whining about miners using IsoBox or similar tools and then people hate it. So all I wondered was how people will stand when its used for ganking or other forms of PvP.

I am still a firm believer that if you need macros or a program to play on all your clients at the same time then you should not play that many at once. Sure I can play three accounts at once on my three screens but I don't use any software to make it easier or give me an advantage. But if you need to use IsoBox or whatever then go ahead, since its a greyzone in the EULA.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-04-04 09:34:57 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:

It was a joke. IN seriousness, I mildly dislike ISboxer. As far as the Code is concerned, its not a botting tool, as the player has to be at their keyboard when using it. However, it may violate the "excessive mining" provision of the Code.


It definitely breaches the spirit of the CODE. I should ask James to change the letter of the CODE to make that clearer.

As a Code sympathizer I have to agree. I go after MTU's for the same reason (it has nothing to do with getting me some cheap kills, srsly Roll).
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-04-04 13:08:10 UTC
Illiana Freir wrote:
Dalto Bane wrote:
Roll Oh it's this thread again for the 2000th time. Keep crying and when they ban ISBoxer, I will have a reason to use my VPN and offset my keystroke .5-1 seconds and continue to use ISBoxer.. ISBoxer does not do anything except map keys to multiple clients, customize display, and throttle fps on background clients. As far as macros, go ahead and ban AHK and macro'ed decks and mice too so we can all go back to standard keyboards and two button mice. Right? Now if a player is using isxEve with ISBoxer, then by all means, that player should be banned!

Well I did not start the thread as a 'Plix CCP Ban all the ones making more ISKis then me.'
I have just seen a lot of whining about miners using IsoBox or similar tools and then people hate it. So all I wondered was how people will stand when its used for ganking or other forms of PvP.

I am still a firm believer that if you need macros or a program to play on all your clients at the same time then you should not play that many at once. Sure I can play three accounts at once on my three screens but I don't use any software to make it easier or give me an advantage. But if you need to use IsoBox or whatever then go ahead, since its a greyzone in the EULA.


After rereading the OP and my own post, I believe I share the same reaction as Kane, that I have only heard people being against ISBoxer, regardless if they are Miners or Gankers.

That being said, I also apologize if I came off irritated in my first post, but for every thread that is started about ISBoxer being a bad thing, I feel compelled to neutralize any misconceptions that come along with it. I do not oppose ganking or mining with ISBoxer as a standalone application because it requires input. Another thing to take into consideration is that, whether it be ganking or mining, the player that is running the program is not at any more advantage than anyone else. Most of the people that are opposed to it, have never used it, and typically only spew the same half truths and misrepresentations about ISBoxer that have been going around for years. I have never automated anything in my many years of playing Eve, nor will I. I fully support ganking and mining using ISBoxer. I support James 315 and the CODE's contributions to eliminate AFK/Bot miners and mission runners.

Drops Mic
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#32 - 2014-04-04 13:59:06 UTC
Illiana Freir wrote:
But what do you think of isoboxing gankers so they can alone take down larger targets?
It seems quite clear that most of the community is against isoboxing miners so I am just curious now it will reason around this.


Its quite clear you pulled that out of your ass.

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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#33 - 2014-04-04 23:18:22 UTC
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