Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's a game, ganking defines a set of circumstances where one side has an overwhelming advantage.

How is a game interesting if you already know who is going to win?

And no, being able to avoid each other, is quite specifically not playing. The point is to want both sides present and interested in staying, which also requires genuine lack of certainty about who will win.

The guy in the mining barge pays in two ways already.
1. They are about the worst class short of freighters for mobility.
2. They can be predictably located in mining belts.

Being a pinata for another player, who arguably paid a small fraction by comparison, is far too limited a concept to consider a game.

It is both dull and obvious, and we should expect better.

I sincerely hope the skiff makes the game a reality, above what we have now.

This has nothing to do with fairness and safety. The option to gank has always been only that, an option. CCP reduced the 'entry requirements' by not requiring probing mining ships in gravimetric sites (changed to anoms).

Miners in grav sites had at least a minute or so to notice probes and be aware of the increased potential for attack. Anoms offer no such option for 'warning', though player attentiveness had to be full time. The tank on Hulk/Covetor and Mackinaw/Retriever has not changed, but mining in highsec anoms put that risk at the forefront. Comparatively, nul intel has the potential for preventing any mining vessel loss. Thus, the mining barge/exhumer tank issue is practically eliminated for nul pvp as long as someone is paying attention and fleet-warps everyone to the pos. Organized mining fleet is the key here, not fairness and safety.

So for solo miners, what options are there? Cheap mining frigate Venture, cheap mining barge Procurer, or more tanky/expensive Skiff? For anyone that has mined in a Hulk, you know the micromanaging requires much more attention than for other comparable ships. The goal is maintaining maximum yield while not getting ganked/killed.

Cargohold, tank, and anomaly mining are the limiting factors. Increased security of gravimetric sites/other would help eliminate some of the issues with tank on mining barges/exhumers. An alternate to jetcan mining is secure container(s) to prevent stealing of ore, but anchoring a can gives free intel of your mining location(s). To keep mining modules always on, you can use an alt to haul. Please feel free to add any comments you may have.

That's a +1 to Max Locked Targets, missed?

That's a +1 to Max Locked Targets. Missed too?

Otherwise, I'm very hyped.

Before retribution the Size of the ships used to accurately reflect the cargo capacity relation. But it also used to accurately reflect the tank of the ship and the number of strip miners slots used to also accurately reflect the yield capability of each ship. So basically all the ships did the same job except the Hulk was the best in all cases (including tank). And even though it was the best tank, people still ganked them fairly often. The alternate deterrent to getting ganked was either being in a cheap ship or mining with a Battleship. Something i think they should bring viability back to.

Actually, why not make Mining Laser upgrades only work for Turret Mining lasers, and people will start fitting their barges/exhumers differently. And give Turret mining lasers a significant boost so that 7-8 lasers with enough MLUs can rival a mining barge. Hell maybe i'll make a new thread with this, where the barges/exhumers' survivability is normalized and BS mining is the tankage.

OOOO dat dynamism

If they operate in a system where gankers usually operate, the answer in both cases is: Yes. Just look at the Osmon area or any .5/.6 lvl 4 mission hub. Of course, the ganking in almost all cases can be prevented by checking local, checking d-scan and teaming up with friends.



A solo missioner away from corp mates has about the same chance of being rescued as a solo hulk mining: None.



Most mission ships fit mission-specific tank, so have either an EM or Explosive resist hole, which is exploited by gankers and awoxers alike, all while being mostly alone as mission rewards don't scale very well with more people in fleet.

A properly fit skiff has ~93k EHP with a 74/80/73/77 resist profile, which is excellently suited for receiving remote reps. Add a shield link from the mining fleet's orca and it will only get better, plus the profit scales very well with each additional person in fleet.



See above, already exists.



Much like the commonly used Ishtar build in Gurista 0.0 anomalies, a Hulk fleet's best defense is good intel. There are many many warning signs of an impending attack:

- Combat probes on close range scan
- Non-mining ship in belt
- Unfleeted mining ship in close proximity to own ship
- Known gankers in system
- In-game map shows high ship/podkills
- etcetcetc.

The mining barges are pretty well balanced, higher risk equals a higher reward.

In a perfect world, I would agree.

EVE is not a perfect world.

Teaming up with friends, is exclusively available to players who have the luxury of either good fortune, or the ability to coordinate with others to play together.

While this is easy to type in a sentence, if you have demands on your time, and your friends have similar demands, this can be a sadly rare opportunity to play.

As to checking D-scan, in high sec that relies on the range being exclusive to your mining area, and not including travel paths or other activity hubs.
In null? It's a joke, as your attacker is most likely cloaked and not going to show up at all.

Checking local in high sec? Useful for spotting those who have war dec'd your corp. Otherwise, you might notice the occasional well known player with a bad rep.
In null? If not blue, run run run. Then hope they leave, because they won't decloak if you appear too dangerous, so your PvE is uncertain at best.

That skiff needs to be able to make a difference, for these changes to bring hope into these circumstances.

so what you are saying is if you solo you might as well quit



wow great that helps me with just being scanned down not what we are saying we are talking about everyday mining in hi sec.



and gankers can't use them?



yes and having 90 Battleships with you while you take a **** or get a drink helps to

you make no point other than pointing out one of 3 things.

A) you are not a full time miner
B)you are one of the lucky ones that can call on a corp when mining if you even do
C)your a ganker and last thing you want is a fair fight



I tried that but the $2 Ganker canary Ate it

I have to admit that I *really* want rabid attack hamster skins for my drones now...would I need attack guinea pig skins for the heavies though?

Sloths with rifles for sentries...

In space suits I hope lol