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Nails in the Coffin, (Please add more nails if you got 'em.).

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#41 - 2014-03-29 17:41:36 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Nail 3. T20 Although he falls into nail 1 he was such a douche he deserves his own nail.

Dredging up ancient history eh? Even Jesus got over nails after three days. Try following His example.


Read that as EVE Jesus. Wiping coffee off my keyboard.

Mr Epeen Cool
Darkopus
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-03-29 17:42:29 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Darkopus wrote:


sociopath


These forums really need new vocabulary.


how about depraved, deranged, sicko........... they are all relevant adjectives that describe that particular individuals actions
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2014-03-29 17:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Darkopus wrote:


how about depraved, deranged, sicko...........


You have no idea what these words mean

For a start sicko is a noun not an adjective

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-03-29 17:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Only publicly owned companies are required to disclose financial information to the public, but you go ahead on living in that dream world.

Private held companies in Iceland are required to make these available to the public as well. You can go request these and look them in at the register of annual accounts (or Icelandic tax office).

I do enjoy living in the dream world. The air is so nice and crisp here.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#45 - 2014-03-29 17:54:46 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Only publicly owned companies are required to disclose financial information to the public, but you go ahead on living in that dream world.

Private held companies in Iceland are required to make these available to the public as well. You can go request these and look them in at the register of annual accounts (or Icelandic tax office).

I do enjoy living in the dream world. The air is so nice and crisp here.


Request =/= demand

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Darkopus
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-03-29 17:58:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Darkopus wrote:


how about depraved, deranged, sicko...........


You have no idea what these words mean

For a start sicko is a noun not an adjective



At the end of the day its all semantics. What ever way this is dressed the bottom line is CCP didn't like what they saw / heard. They didn't like the potential harm it could do both to them as a company and their game. So they took action. If we cut through the all the posturing on both sides and boil this down to the facts, what happened was unacceptable, and had no place in a game or as an activity related to the game for any gaming reasons other than to publicly humiliate people, read that as people not characters people. CCP drew their line and took their action.

The failure of the bonus room antics was in the eagerness of its instigators to reap tears in public in a way that had no class or gamefull meaning. Tear harvesting....... no problem GSF, PL etc all do this, but they do it with a certain class and in the game. That is what separates their tear games from E1's.

Bottom line if you want to harvest tears keep it in context of EVE. take it to coms and start asking for mayo s,eared pictures, and if your victims wife needs a paper bag to calm her down is not in any way shape or form anything to do with EVE. If you can justify how it is part of the game I would guess everyone will be all ears, but there is no way you can because simply put this was not gamesmanship or game content.

Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-03-29 17:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Only publicly owned companies are required to disclose financial information to the public, but you go ahead on living in that dream world.

Private held companies in Iceland are required to make these available to the public as well. You can go request these and look them in at the register of annual accounts (or Icelandic tax office).

I do enjoy living in the dream world. The air is so nice and crisp here.


Request =/= demand

In this context, your comment means absolutely nothing. These statements are available to the public. Hence not leaked. I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to bring across. They are made available by CCP on their own website ... Like what more do you need?
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#48 - 2014-03-29 18:02:08 UTC
I used to be mad at CCP for many of the reasons you listed. I thought that if enough people got mad enough, CCP would be forced to change.

That didn't work. I highly doubt it will work in the future. Perhaps we were near a tipping point, I don't know, but I don't foresee that many people getting that mad again in the future.

So you either take EVE as it is, a better-than-most game with a significantly flawed developer (albeit with a few really terrific employees,) and play it casually when the spirit moves you (or until the game to replace it finally comes along, which it still hasn't 10+ years on) or you quit.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#49 - 2014-03-29 18:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Aivo Dresden wrote:

In this context, your comment means absolutely nothing


So why are you replying to it?

If CCPs corporate information is freely available, please supply me with the data showing the sub cancellations and trail account applications for the last 5 days.

EDIT: Oh and if you dont think this is financial information, then you are unclear what it is that CCP buys and sells. If you do, then I apologise forthe assumption

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-03-29 18:07:31 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:

In this context, your comment means absolutely nothing

So why are you replying to it?
If CCPs corporate information is freely available, please supply me with the data showing the sub cancellations and trail account applications for the last 5 days.

The annual financial report is, not subscription data for the last 5 days Roll. How is that related to the initial comment about the financial reports being 'leaked', or the OP's 9th nail?

Honestly I don't even know why I'm replying to it. P
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#51 - 2014-03-29 18:07:50 UTC
Even carebears don't whine this much...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2014-03-29 18:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:

In this context, your comment means absolutely nothing

So why are you replying to it?
If CCPs corporate information is freely available, please supply me with the data showing the sub cancellations and trail account applications for the last 5 days.

The annual financial report is, not subscription data for the last 5 days Roll. How is that related to the initial comment about the financial reports being 'leaked', or the OP's 9th nail?

Honestly I don't even know why I'm replying to it. P


Dont know much do you.

As I said, if you dont think that subs are important financial information, then you dont believe the product it sells and the volume of that product shifted is import to the cash flow of the company, which of course is nonsensical.

EDIT: THat said, you are derailing my point. How is a request the same as demand? If you request something, it can be denied. Pretty sure you dont have the right to any business sensitive information they are not willing to give.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#53 - 2014-03-29 18:12:15 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Please just go already.

Sorry I need to elaborate. You have no knowledge about incidents that happened almost 10y ago. Bots have always been flying BS and the program you're talking about is ISboxer. Financial reports aren't leaked. CCP is legally required to make these public. They aren't in financial trouble, clearly you can't read these reports either. Please just go already. You talk so much crap. You literally have no idea about ... pretty much anything. It's painful. Stop embarrassing yourself.



Only publicly owned companies are required to disclose financial information to the public, but you go ahead on living in that dream world.


except if the financial report is on there own website then its not a leak.

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#54 - 2014-03-29 18:12:41 UTC
Annual = yearly. So latest annual financial report is highly unlikely to have last 5 days' worth of anything.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-03-29 18:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
I've never said that. The only difference is that subscription data for the last 5 days doesn't have to be made public, unlike annual financial statements.

To answer your request =/= demand; that's not really how it works. You go request the annual financial report, it is made available to you. That's what making available to the public means. That's what Icelandic law states. It doesn't say you may request it and we may turn down requests.
Moja Hinken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-03-29 18:16:13 UTC
See what happens when the players who claim to not be care bears don't get their way. THEY CRY. AND CRY AND CRY AND CRY. Keep crying. Cancel your accounts. There is so few of you erotica 1 fan boys CCP won't even notice.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#57 - 2014-03-29 18:16:30 UTC
You forgot to mention that CCP does not hire more better players.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#58 - 2014-03-29 18:28:34 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Nail 1. CCP dev bias and interference & support of certain EVE entity's.
Nail 2. T2BPO's and gifting to pet corps/players.
Nail 3. T20 Although he falls into nail 1 he was such a douche he deserves his own nail.
Nail 4. Incarna, a half arsed attempt at providing walking in station. (all they had to do was create a bloody communal area)
Nail 5. War dec system and NPC corp that allow players to hide from PVP in high sec.
Nail 6. Eve's general steady dumbing down and the creation of the PVE only grind fest.
Nail 7. Absolute zero enforcement of botting unless RMT related.
Nail 8. The pointless war against RMT but the encouragement of botting.
Nail 9. Incompetence in RL finance and game development, the willingness of CCP to flush EVE's cash on unwanted projects.
Nail 10. Supercap proliferation and no change to the biggest blob wins game of Nullsec.

Feel free to add your own nails but I think there is enough in this coffin to already stop the dead from rising.


1) This was delt with ages ago, its one of the reasons for the CSM and EvE own IA dept. They caught another dev cheating a few years back (i can not remember the details) and dealt with this. They tightened there policies after this incident, and tbh if the devs were cheating you would hear more about it then the 2 time sin the past 10 years. Besides, this was before you time anyway and doesn't concern you in the slightest.

2) Read above, this was delt with ages ago, thouse bpo's were removed form the game and the isk confiscated (if i remember correctly, too lazy to dig at the old blogs atm) and again, you were not playing, even if yoru roommate was, it prolly did not concern him either.

3) so? lots of people are douche's who work for companies.

4) Incarinia was meant to be phase one, its kinda how ccp used to do everything, place ground work then take a few expansions to finish. Some longer then others (FW) But due to ccp' having a change in direction money wise, the player base forced them to drop it. CCP for some odd reason dropped the original engine for this and went with something else. Did the botch the job? yes, but if you look at other mmo's of this caliber they will eventually screw up an expansion. CCP learned and moved on.. i think you should to.

5) This has been in eve since ay one, so i honestly have no idea what you are talking about. They also changed it recently to penalize people who do this, as you can;t just instantly rejoin anymore. But this mechanic has been in eve from pretty much day one, or at least April 2004 when i started.

6) Eve is not 'dumbing down' But there are new tools and things in place to make the NPE not as harsh for new players. OFC they still whine up a storm that they can;'t figure out what to do.

7) Untrue. You were not here for the great bot kill, and i think you missed where all the bots in jita were banned at once and jita was quite for a few days. CCP works to kill bots. isboxer is not a bot. There is a difference.

8) read 7.

9) Just because you don;t want Dust, or Valk, or WoD, or whatever else they are making doesn't means other don;t. As you are not a member of CCP you really have no idea what you talking about. Being an armchair exec is nice when you don;lt have all the info.

10) Obviously you don;t read dev blogs or post. They have said numerous times that cap changes are coming. There are a ton of ships in eve, and Caps are not the majority of ships.

Pretty much this is the post of a noobie, yes you are a noob, no 4 years in eve doesn't make you a pro. when you hit 10 then talk to me. Most of your issues were before your time, and have been fixed ages ago. And as had been said already, no one is forcing you to stay, give me your stuff and leave if you think eve is dying. Otherwise, chill and enjoy the ride.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#59 - 2014-03-29 18:30:47 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
I've never said that. The only difference is that subscription data for the last 5 days doesn't have to be made public, unlike annual financial statements.

To answer your request =/= demand; that's not really how it works. You go request the annual financial report, it is made available to you. That's what making available to the public means. That's what Icelandic law states. It doesn't say you may request it and we may turn down requests.


Then you have a legal right to demand it and it be provided.

But if you are saying that a request is a polite demand then I see where our disagreement occurred, and I apologise for my rudeness and misunderstanding.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#60 - 2014-03-29 18:32:56 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:


Nail 1-3: You didn't play yet. You (and others) keep whining about this stuff. I was in BoB at the time and there's very large amount of the members that had no idea of what was going on. Maybe 1-2 players knew about this. Maybe 1-2 people actually reaped any benefits of this. You didn't even play yet, so just stop bitching about stuff you read somewhere and have no actual knowledge of.
Nail 4: You didn't play yet, how does an expansion released before you played affects you?
Nail 5: ...
Nail 6: Are you kidding me?
Nail 7-8: Incorrect, you have no idea about this. In fact, if you do see one, why don't you just kill him. You also didn't play when 'bots' were actually a real problem. When you could warp in to any 0.0 belt and there was a flock of Ravens sitting there.
Nail 9: Are you part of the CCP executive team? Do you know all their spendings and investments? Didn't think so.
Nail 10: Things don't change overnight. Give it some time for them to come up with a good viable alternative to EVE null fleets.

Seriously, happy to see a whiner like you go. Please do let the door hit you on the way out.


1-3. I have played eve since 2010 but have watched my old college room mate playing from the start.
Only one or two players benefited from getting T2BPO isk printing machines, yeah ok I can't see your counter arguments getting any worse than this. You sound dumber than Seline already which is an achievement in itself.

Nail 4. Yes I did.
Nail5. .... ok then
Nail 6. No
Nail 7. I used to love blopping bots in high, in low and in null until CCP gave them battleship tanks. This was the single strongest signal that CCP does not give to craps about botting and followed closely by there love of promoting ISOboxers. CCP have always focused on weekly profits and have never once looked at the long term harm that botting did to the game.

Nail 9. No but the dude who leaked CCP's detailed financial report probably was and still is. CCP is in very deep financial trouble and that is an understatement. The millions of dollars that they owe in PLEX or what they call (unprocessed game time is one example of this).

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1nzsg7/5230702_worth_of_plex_still_to_be_converted_or_21/

Nail 10. Null has been a blob fest for years now, they have had plenty of time.





CCP technically doesn't owe anything to anyone who has not converted. And most of them plexes are prolly in player stock piles ready to cash out. this is how economics works. If eve died tomorrow, the money for said plexes is used already, you won;t get a refund.

No finical data was leaked. An in house newsletter was, and others stated that there was a different version as well with different ideas how to handle the NeX store, but as they were even thinking of being greedy, they broke a promise to the player base and were punished for it,

Seriously, do some research before you just asusme.

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