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Ok i have been trying a bit of trading and i gave up... are they bots?
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Clint Brigante
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-03-28 23:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Clint Brigante
People undercutting so quickly... Is EVE bot-proof? Is the server checking the trading looking for them? And how can they be busted? Theorethicaly some person might sit there all the time undercutting competition by 0.01 ISK all the time, but i doubt it... noone can be so determined around digital currency to completly abandon real life to become living bot.

So if some people use some legit or undetectable bots how can I compete?

Is there some list of developers approved tools which can help trading? Without any tool i feel like a fish between sharks. And its pretty lame that EVE allows such 3rd party programs to make players get adventage over these who just play EVE.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2014-03-29 00:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Loraine Gess
I trade in jita regularly. There are bots, but clearly not for the items I trade in. You're just slow.



I also don't use any 3rd party programs, lol... It's really not that hard.
Adunh Slavy
#3 - 2014-03-29 00:52:44 UTC
If you are trading in one of the hubs, expect to be undercut constantly. There are better ways to trade, in the hubs, than being a 0.01 button pushing chimp.

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InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
#4 - 2014-03-29 01:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: InterStellar Architect
Clint Brigante wrote:
People undercutting so quickly... Is EVE bot-proof? Is the server checking the trading looking for them? And how can they be busted? Theorethicaly some person might sit there all the time undercutting competition by 0.01 ISK all the time, but i doubt it... noone can be so determined around digital currency to completly abandon real life to become living bot.

So if some people use some legit or undetectable bots how can I compete?

Is there some list of developers approved tools which can help trading? Without any tool i feel like a fish between sharks. And its pretty lame that EVE allows such 3rd party programs to make players get adventage over these who just play EVE.


I don't doubt there are market bots - but some of the people sitting there updating their orders 0.01 ISK at a time, for hours, are actually players.

If you like to do this type of trading, you could open up your Starmap. Then, go to Statistics. Select the one that will show you "Average number of pilots in system within the past hour".

Any system that has a relatively higher number of pilots passing through would be a good trading system.

Also don't forget the high sec systems that border low sec. And low-sec systems that border nullsec.

Mess around on the Jump Planner - the systems that carriers / jump freighters frequently pass through could be a good trading system too.
Dealth Striker
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-29 04:49:33 UTC
There are definitely bots. It is very easy to prove.
You can learn how to defeat them, but is sometimes too time consuming.
You can look at other items that they do not touch.
You can change places to buy/sell/trade

I do not think CCP will ever do anything about them since they are a form of subscription for them.
You have to learn to adjust or try something else.
Striker Out!!
Far Wanderer
ACGM Acquisitions
#6 - 2014-03-29 05:03:49 UTC
Change up the items that you trade in.

Try items that have high margins but that sell slowly.

Or, try items with low margins but that sell quickly and in high volume.

It's frustrating, sure, but if you keep at it your frustration will be replaced by satisfaction as you find ways to defeat the bots and the no-lifers that only seem to know how to adjust orders in binary.

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WaterMarks
The Keywork
#7 - 2014-03-29 12:12:20 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
If you are trading in one of the hubs, expect to be undercut constantly. There are better ways to trade, in the hubs, than being a 0.01 button pushing chimp.


u can trade in most other hubs alot easyer then jita.

jita is .01 city. any other hub you will still have it but not nearly as much.

-Fly Reckless-
Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#8 - 2014-03-29 15:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rykker Bow
I rarely come across bots, I do however come across people like me who update like a madman from time to time.

It's true that the other hubs your orders stay up longer but it also takes longer to sell. For station trading Jita is king and if you want to be a l33t station trader and make the big bucks that's where you want to be. I only expect my orders to remain at the top for a couple of minutes anyway and when it goes past that, it's a bonus.

A couple years ago, I did a public bond where I station traded in Amarr at the same time as Jita and found that comparing isk per hour, Jita far out performed the smaller hub.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2014-03-29 15:27:24 UTC
Clint Brigante wrote:
People undercutting so quickly... Is EVE bot-proof? Is the server checking the trading looking for them? And how can they be busted? Theorethicaly some person might sit there all the time undercutting competition by 0.01 ISK all the time, but i doubt it... noone can be so determined around digital currency to completly abandon real life to become living bot.

So if some people use some legit or undetectable bots how can I compete?

Is there some list of developers approved tools which can help trading? Without any tool i feel like a fish between sharks. And its pretty lame that EVE allows such 3rd party programs to make players get adventage over these who just play EVE.


You share the same issues with many others.

You are trying too hard.

Aim at playing better, not harder.

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Slippery Penguin
#10 - 2014-03-29 15:38:18 UTC
I'm pretty sure that most people in this game are bots, and this is all just an elaborate scheme conjured up by CCP to keep me playing. Personally, I think everyone else should be banned so I can go about my single player EVE.
Tsukihi Phoenix
Shadow Legion Y
Seriously Suspicious
#11 - 2014-04-01 17:05:26 UTC
Confirming every station trader ever is a bot.

Station trading is a lot like AFK mining. You click the buttons to update orders, then go off and have a quick sammich and come back and check it again. rinse and repeat. It gets more interesting when you have orders in different regions on the same account.
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-04-02 00:53:33 UTC
Tsukihi wrote:
Station trading is a lot like AFK mining. .

undercutting as a kind of ganking?
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-04-02 17:59:59 UTC
Look at all the :TINFOIL: in here. Bots are really not that huge an issue. How complicated is it to alt + tab to your Jita station alt and update prices once every 5mins?


Answer: It isn't.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#14 - 2014-04-04 18:05:43 UTC
My problem is finding an item that is actually sold to the buy orders, I've been trying different ammo with up to 20 m moved in a day and I believe that 20m moved is actually sold from market via sell order and hardly any sold to buy orders.

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350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-04-04 18:19:03 UTC
Agondray wrote:
My problem is finding an item that is actually sold to the buy orders, I've been trying different ammo with up to 20 m moved in a day and I believe that 20m moved is actually sold from market via sell order and hardly any sold to buy orders.



Well there's a problem. Unless it's faction ammo, I can't see why anyone would sell to a buy order in large amounts (ppl sell ammo to buy orders when doing hangar clean-out or after looting missions). Look for modules/rigs with medium volume, unless you want to spend all the time updating your orders. Ammo can be brutal at the market hubs.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.