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I am X but I fly Y

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#101 - 2014-03-30 14:45:58 UTC
Sure are a lot of people in this thread who never did anything for Pyre Falcon suddenly demanding that Pyre Falcon account for their actions or risk having people look at them sharply.
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#102 - 2014-03-30 14:47:57 UTC
I'm sure a stern talking to will educate everyone involved on how naughty this sort of thing is.

I'm sure we won't see any sort of human trafficking again after a nice sit down.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#103 - 2014-03-30 14:51:57 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Scherezad was compromised by Nation-loyalists some time ago.


Oh god, no.
No!

QUICK! Someone get me I-RED! I must inform them! They must be warned they have allowed a Nation-loyalist into their Alliance!
Ollie Rundle
#104 - 2014-03-30 14:52:21 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I've never seen any sign that Scherezad is pro-Nation. What she is, is uniquely sympathetic to those who have had their grey matter messed with.
Emphasis mine.

Regardless of what you have or haven't seen Pieter, as I've already said at best you've utilised someone sympathetic to Nation loyalists as your filter for ensuring those POWs being returned to you are clear of threat.

If the security risk inherent in that decision needs to be explained to you further you're not as qualified as I thought you were.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well.

Quote:
In a surprise move an un-named foreign Corporation operating out of Reynire system in Placid, offered generous employment contracts to the newly disenfranchised former employees. Arrangements have been made for transit out to Reynire system.

Quote:
A foreign corporation offered them employment, they accepted and we shipped them to that corporation's homebase.

Quote:
You are inferring who that batch of disassociated went to. You must understand that once they left our employ we really have little interest in them, legally. What I can say, personally, is that I have never profited from any deal with TS-F - save for having had competent wingman in a couple of patrols.
Weasel-words do not become you, Pieter.

Reynire is the base of operations for TS-F and has been for approximately two years.

If you have little interest in these former employees, legally, why did you and your corporation arrange for shipping of them to "that corporation's homebase"? Why not just leave this group of the "criminal underclass" to fend for themselves - why spare the extra corporate oversight and expense on a clutch of Caldari your tribunal had already judged beyond further utility?

Your stated actions and your words aren't adding up, Pieter. Are the lies and half-truths becoming too tangled to manage or are you deliberately displaying these anomalies in an effort to justify your own role in this?

I am inferring, based on your comments and my own investigations over the last 5 months, that PYRE - and yourself as part of the senior echelon of PYRE pilots - have been involved in the transfer of fellow Caldari to TS-F, a Nation-loyalist corporation based out of Reynire. If true this stands in contradiction to PYRE's State- and KK-loyalist credentials.

Do you dispute this and, if not, is it still going on?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#105 - 2014-03-30 15:03:24 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Lots of words here


I'm going to save them this work.

We are still blue. We are remaining blue for the forseeable future. The reason for this is that we have ongoing business and trade deals that are mutually beneficial.

The benefit to them is that they get some Caldari patriots back from us. The benefit to us is that we get a larger amount of non-specific biomass. This comes from their POW's as well as other sources that are suitable enough for use in our purposes. We don't place as much importance on the specific source of our meat, after all, as most others do.

We have engaged in mutual combat operations from time to time because, and here is the thing, we are both groups that are very, very highly effective for our size. Pyre Falcon has something like a 40 kill per pilot ratio per month or something stupidily high like that. We have mutual enemies in the Gallente Federation, who are usually the targets of these operations. Other targets include basically any mutually neutral or hostile capsuleer, because that is just how things are done in the wilds of lowsec.

So, here is what we offer each other. We are two honorable business partners with similar ROE's but wildly divergent philosophies who have proven to each other that we can be counted on to stick to the terms of a deal and who have also proven to each other that we are amazingly competent on the battlefield, with mutual enemies to share between us. The fact that we know this is based on the fact that we actually took the time to talk to each other and learn these things.

Now, this has the side benefit for Pyre Falcon that if we happened to come across any of their Kirjuun in any of the ships we destroy, we would save that person, treat them for any injuries, and then return them promptly and without fanfare to Pyre Falcon. On the other hand, if we were to capture your crew, they would be treated just like anyone else who hasn't bothered to come and talk to us like reasonable human beings. They would be processed and given a better life in a more reasonable society.

Do you want to save them from that *snickers* horrible fate? Then come and prove to us that YOU are a reasonable actor. We don't care if your goals differ from ours. Pyre Falcon certainly does not seek Nation Ascendant.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#106 - 2014-03-30 15:05:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Greatest Glory For Mother I-REDs!

Soyuz nerushimyy respublik svobodnykh
Splotila naveki Velikaya Ishukone.
Da zdravstvuyet sozdannyy voley narodov
Yedinyy, moguchiy Caldari Soyuz!

Slavsya, Otechestvo nashe svobodnoye,
Druzhby narodov nadyozhnyy oplot...


Let the thousand strapping Civire men of the I-RED Army Choir fill your hearts with pride and strength!

FOR ISHUKONE!

FOR I-RED!

Katrina Oniseki

Ollie Rundle
#107 - 2014-03-30 15:05:07 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Scherezad was compromised by Nation-loyalists some time ago.


Oh god, no.
No!

QUICK! Someone get me I-RED! I must inform them! They must be warned they have allowed a Nation-loyalist into their Alliance!


Loyalists and sympathiser capsuleers of all bents do tend to move around, Ms. Polevhia. Nature of the industry.

The fact that Scherezad is part of an alliance does not rationally prove nor disprove where her individual sympathies and motives lie.

Your pithy commentary - while certainly entertaining - is, in effect, irrelevant.
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#108 - 2014-03-30 15:10:07 UTC
Out of interest Mr. Rundle, who would you choose to inspect the people coming back? I think you'd find it very hard to persuade someone that euthanization is not the only option on the table.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#109 - 2014-03-30 15:10:08 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Scherezad was compromised by Nation-loyalists some time ago.


Oh god, no.
No!

QUICK! Someone get me I-RED! I must inform them! They must be warned they have allowed a Nation-loyalist into their Alliance!


The fact that Scherezad is part of an alliance does not rationally prove nor disprove where her individual sympathies and motives lie.


The fact that she is part of that particular alliance means one of two things.

1: She is not compromised by Nation-loyalists.
2: I-RED has absolutely pathetic background checks.

Out of respect for Scherezad, and out of what little respect I have for her alliance, I'm going to assume 1.
Ollie Rundle
#110 - 2014-03-30 15:11:33 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
This comes from their POW's as well as other sources that are suitable enough for use in our purposes. We don't place as much importance on the specific source of our meat, after all, as most others do.


Nice of you to be running PYRE's PR department for them, Tiberious. The quote above is probably the only important part to Caldari-loyalists and general fans of humanity in what you said.

It's interesting though that TS-F has chosen to be so vocal in its defense of PYRE. Usually, TS-F takes a rather passive-aggressive approach to IGS discussions only really coming out in force when there's something on the line that's important to you or where the cost of losing something might well be felt.
Ollie Rundle
#111 - 2014-03-30 15:13:00 UTC
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Out of interest Mr. Rundle, who would you choose to inspect the people coming back? I think you'd find it very hard to persuade someone that euthanization is not the only option on the table.


Ms. Roseburn, I don't need to choose anyone - I'm not intimately involved in the Nation biomass trade.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#112 - 2014-03-30 15:14:11 UTC
I don't think you get it.

We aren't defending Pyre.

We're laughing at the rest of you.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#113 - 2014-03-30 15:16:26 UTC
...Wait, seriously? Now, I've got no care at all what happens to, with, or around Pyre... But why the HELL are you people dragging Scherezad-haani into this? Wheres the proof that she's a "Nation Loyalist"?

Oh sure, any claim can be made as to her sympathies... And just as easily ignored. Proof, or get lost. There's a big difference between a running argument over dubious (whatever) dealings, and trying to pull perhaps the only pure humanitarian in New Eden into this crap flinging.

The Nation supporters are coming across as the rational ones, right about now.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#114 - 2014-03-30 15:16:52 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Out of interest Mr. Rundle, who would you choose to inspect the people coming back? I think you'd find it very hard to persuade someone that euthanization is not the only option on the table.


Ms. Roseburn, I don't need to choose anyone - I'm not intimately involved in the Nation biomass trade.


It's not a case of being intimately involved, it's a question regarding who you would choose. You're involved in this conversation enough to judge parties that have inspected the prisoners, so I'm sure you've got an alternative.

Unless you're all for euthanization of course.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#115 - 2014-03-30 15:18:44 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
...Wait, seriously? Now, I've got no care at all what happens to, with, or around Pyre... But why the HELL are you people dragging Scherezad-haani into this? Wheres the proof that she's a "Nation Loyalist"?

Oh sure, any claim can be made as to her sympathies... And just as easily ignored. Proof, or get lost. There's a big difference between a running argument over dubious (whatever) dealings, and trying to pull perhaps the only pure humanitarian in New Eden into this crap flinging.

The Nation supporters are coming across as the rational ones, right about now.


If you haven't realized this by now then you are starting to finally see where we're coming from.

Anyone who so much as mentions our name without spitting on the ground in front of them is accused of being a Nation loyalist. It's hilarious to us and it just proves us right.

Please, PLEASE prove us wrong. Show us that you are more rational than these threads (which are constant, by the way) show us you are.

For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#116 - 2014-03-30 15:29:52 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party.


I think they are referring to that time she spent in your custody for a while, or something. I wasn't there for that.

Katrina Oniseki

Jurou Yuan
Wolfraam 74
#117 - 2014-03-30 15:31:42 UTC
Guys, guys! Can't we all just get along?
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#118 - 2014-03-30 15:34:14 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party.


I think they are referring to that time she spent in your custody for a while, or something. I wasn't there for that.


You do realize that is more damning of your recruitment process than a defense right?

"Might have been converted, we'll have them anyway".
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#119 - 2014-03-30 15:35:21 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party.


I think they are referring to that time she spent in your custody for a while, or something. I wasn't there for that.


Yes, the very brief period she spent in my ship after we, in combination with several others, rescued her from being kidnapped by the Angels.

I believe she was in my custody, in a stasis container manufactured by those same angels, for all of fifteen minutes before I passed her off to other medical authorities.

For the record, it takes more than fifteen minutes to do any form of subtle implantation. It would take longer because of Scherezad's unique brain structure.

It's a BS witch hunt is what it is, and you know it.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#120 - 2014-03-30 15:40:34 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
...Wait, seriously? Now, I've got no care at all what happens to, with, or around Pyre... But why the HELL are you people dragging Scherezad-haani into this? Wheres the proof that she's a "Nation Loyalist"?

Oh sure, any claim can be made as to her sympathies... And just as easily ignored. Proof, or get lost. There's a big difference between a running argument over dubious (whatever) dealings, and trying to pull perhaps the only pure humanitarian in New Eden into this crap flinging.

The Nation supporters are coming across as the rational ones, right about now.


If you haven't realized this by now then you are starting to finally see where we're coming from.

Anyone who so much as mentions our name without spitting on the ground in front of them is accused of being a Nation loyalist. It's hilarious to us and it just proves us right.

Please, PLEASE prove us wrong. Show us that you are more rational than these threads (which are constant, by the way) show us you are.

For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party.

Well, that about figures... As I've said, my sole interest is in the well being of one individual in this affair. Your dealings are your own. Pieter and I spoke about it, at length, and my opinion remains ambivalent towards the arrangement. You and I, Tiberious, have spoken civilly in the past, and while I have no desire to join Nation in any capacity, I don't bear you any particular ill will.

If I come across as confrontational, it's due to the simple fact that the closest to family I have is ground zero for this mess, a situation that will never sit well with me under any circumstances. I'd be uninvolved if that were not the case, as my own reasons for disliking the majority of Pyre are personal, established months and months ago, and unrelated to TS-F's activities in any way. I prefer just to avoid them and their antics when circumstances permit. It's easier that way.

All that said... Were it not for Schere, I'd likely be a low functioning autistic at best, permanently comatose at worst. Some idiot trying to pull her into this stupidity isn't happening unchallenged. Not because of some stigma, real or imagined, attached to TS-F... But because she doesn't deserve to be pulled into such an idiotic exchange, by anyone, without a DAMN good reason.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117