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What happened to ship prices?
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#1 - 2014-03-28 16:19:06 UTC
It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!

Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.

I remember 65m domi and geddon
I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus
I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk
I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy.
I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)

What happened?

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2 - 2014-03-28 16:20:15 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!

Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.

I remember 65m domi and geddon
I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus
I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk
I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy.
I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)

What happened?


Try looking at the prices of the building materials?

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#3 - 2014-03-28 16:22:07 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Try looking at the prices of the building materials?


.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason.

Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better

What happened to mineral prices used to make ships?

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-28 16:23:21 UTC
they went up.

drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.

misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#5 - 2014-03-28 16:23:26 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Try looking at the prices of the building materials?


.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason.

Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better

What happened to mineral prices used to make ships?


Big boats blew up.
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-28 16:28:04 UTC
Basically. Someone set thier sale price above market value the next guy see this and ups his price and this continues unabated. Sure there other factors like war , ganking and patch rebalancing but as its a free market greed is good.

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Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#7 - 2014-03-28 16:30:57 UTC
If you think it's bad now wait until after the refining changes in summer. Might want to stock up on your favorites now.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#8 - 2014-03-28 16:37:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
they went up.

drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.

misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)




That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference.

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#9 - 2014-03-28 16:48:26 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
they went up.

drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.

misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)




That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference.


The drone regions were farmed to death to build entire capital ship fleets. When that all dried up mineral prices doubled literally overnight.

Besides that all the meta 0 modules in loot were removed and replaced with metal scraps. The 1000s of missioners out there that would take these low quality modules and refine them suddenly had all of that minerals source removed. Not to mention the rogue drones in missions too.

Those two things has a MASSIVE impact on the market, besides just overall inflation continuing.

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Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#10 - 2014-03-28 16:49:13 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
they went up.

drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.

misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)




That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference.


Drone regions nerf took a little bit to trickle into the market. But the impact was felt and I'm sure it could or has been put into a graph somewhere. The mission loot drop nerf probably had a smaller impact but the two together along with an increase in highsec ganking and hulkageddon events has caused mineral prices to increase across the board. Once the summer expansion hits with the refine/reprocessing changes expect the prices to go even higher. Sometimes I wonder if CCP does this stuff on purpose to drive GTC and Plex sales.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#11 - 2014-03-28 16:53:40 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
they went up.

drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.

misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)




That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference.
The drone regions were a huge part of the minerals. I heard half of some minerals, but I don't have a source.
Those minerals were replaced with ISK, so not only are there less minerals, now there are also more ISK ... adding this to natural inflation, and you get higher ship prices.
I'm not sure if the almost 6 months of continued war in the south has made any impact over "business as usual" but I can't imagine that it would have made prices go down.

Together, this makes some price changes (semi)permanent, like drones and refining, and others are just current, such as various wars, and some again are inbuilt in the system, due to inflation prices most likely will be higher than when you left the game, for the same reason that wages are higher now than they were in 2000.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#12 - 2014-03-28 16:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if CCP does this stuff on purpose to drive GTC and Plex sales.



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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#13 - 2014-03-28 17:13:04 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!

Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.

I remember 65m domi and geddon
I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus
I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk
I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy.
I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)

What happened?

No offense, but your question kinda sounds like my grandpa talking about 'back in his day'... To give you a short answer: question and demand

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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#14 - 2014-03-28 17:18:08 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
What happened?


Inflation and ship tieriside.

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#15 - 2014-03-28 17:23:27 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:

No offense, but your question kinda sounds like my grandpa talking about 'back in his day'... To give you a short answer: question and demand


Yeah I do talk a lot about the "Good 'Ol Days", since I have been apart of EVE since 2004.

It just seems like It takes a lot more PVE to fund my PVP these days. The speed of my income hasn't really gone up, but my ship prices have. Maybe I need to start doing something different, I dunno.


I've tried PI, guess I was doing it wrong. Log in every 2 days and sell my stuff and I'd only have a few hundred thousand isk profit. (granted I haven't done PI since the first few months of it's introduction so maybe It has gotten better)

I loathe mining.

Maybe production? But It seems to take a lot of skill training and a decent capital investment to work properly.

I really just want to make isk by Pew Pew. It is an internet spaceship game after all. What is the point of playing if I'm not making things go boom?

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-03-28 17:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Last Wolf wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:

No offense, but your question kinda sounds like my grandpa talking about 'back in his day'... To give you a short answer: question and demand


Yeah I do talk a lot about the "Good 'Ol Days", since I have been apart of EVE since 2004.

It just seems like It takes a lot more PVE to fund my PVP these days. The speed of my income hasn't really gone up, but my ship prices have. Maybe I need to start doing something different, I dunno.


I've tried PI, guess I was doing it wrong. Log in every 2 days and sell my stuff and I'd only have a few hundred thousand isk profit. (granted I haven't done PI since the first few months of it's introduction so maybe It has gotten better)

I loathe mining.

Maybe production? But It seems to take a lot of skill training and a decent capital investment to work properly.

I really just want to make isk by Pew Pew. It is an internet spaceship game after all. What is the point of playing if I'm not making things go boom?


Use cheaper ships. The end of cheap mineral faucets has affected everyone, so you're not the only one with the issue. Tiericide on the other hand has made the affordable T1 hulls very good, so it's not like you don't have access to a lot of great ships even with a thinner wallet.

Also, look in to faction warfare for income from PvP. I'm not in it, but a lot of people seem really happy with it and the income earning potential.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-03-28 17:36:03 UTC
If you check the BPO of someof those ships you mention there is this magical thing called "extra materials' that was not there until recently.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-03-28 17:41:38 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Try looking at the prices of the building materials?


.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason.

Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better

What happened to mineral prices used to make ships?


People said mining is boring. Fewer people mine. Those that do mine charge more for the service and product they provide.
Spurty
#19 - 2014-03-28 18:05:27 UTC
Some clever clogs looked at the materials required to build ships and spotted the cheap ones were cheap because they needed fewer materials to build.

They balanced this by adding EXTRA materials to the build (see BPOs and BPCs).

I approve this very much.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#20 - 2014-03-28 18:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Xercodo wrote:
Those two things has a MASSIVE impact on the market, besides just overall inflation continuing.

Inflation shouldn't be brushed-off so easily.

As EVE grows with more players, they need more ships and modules, so that increased demand raises prices.

As EVE grows with more players, there is more ISK created into the economy by them tapping the faucets, and prices rise.

As EVE grows with more players, ISK changes hands more often, increasing the apparent amount of ISK in the economy ("the velocity of money"). PLEX are also a huge enabler of this, and with more people using PLEX, the effect also increases.
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