Science & Industry

I am sure all of us who manufacture in high sec are trembling behind our spreadsheets at the thought of the tens of null manufacturing making almost no impact on our local markets.
esp as ship building isn't where most profits lie.
In fact the only time my alt uses any minerals at all is when i build gilas /rattlesnakes from bpc i found in combat sigs.
Do you even manufacture?
Or you spend your time 100% on tinfoil?

PS my main (this char) lives in npc null and is not friendly with CFC so i will not gain from this change.

If what you're saying is true, is this not a good thing? I for one think the risks involved in running an industrial venture out in null should have it's perks compared to the small risks taken by hi-sec industrials.

Haven't tried out in null but I've done some in hi-sec, and seeing I don't have any sov bills to pay in high, and my logistics is way cheaper being closer to hubs and my haulers not having to risk their ship out in lower security spaces. I'd say - why shouldn't they have the right to earn more isk?

If the isk is good enough it might even create more conflict and content. I'd for one would love seeing tycoons paying for muscle to claim a piece for themselves. That sort of stories is what got me into this game in the first place.

Sounds like someone who has never done null manufacturing has a poorly informed opinion.

The markets will adapt, people who don't like change will whine, CCP will continue on. Same as every other 'game breaking patch.'

I can't imagine the razor thin margins on a lot of t1 ship manufacturing will even be there after transportation costs are factored in.

Great change :) can't wait to finally move my alts out of anonymity :)

it's not about the margin, it's about the ~10% "free" minerals you get in a 00 station :)

Yes, the 00 station gets 10% free minerals. But they have extra costs too. Fuel cost to jump the ore from high sec to that 00 station. Fuel cost to jump the battleships back to high sec. Transportation time from wherever on the edge of high sec the jump freighter landed to Jita. A packaged battleship is 50k m3. So you can only fit 6 or 7 per trip in a jump freighter.

Sure, the 00 manufacturer can theoretically undercut a high sec producer, but with such low isk/hr, who will bother?

Actually, according the to the chief architect, it is more like 17% more minerals for null sec.
And I would suggest that margin makes it very very lucrative to wipe out high sec manufacturers.

Like I posted , gross profits on moving 7 BS's to high sec is 175-210 M. That is from the goon's own blog post.
Net profits, what, 120-180 million ISK/ round trip?

Looking at my Megathron BPO, which has pretty terrible stats of 3 PE, and with this char, who has less than perfect mfg skills, the base time is 3 hours, 24 minutes cooking time.

So even under worst case, a null sec indy can easily do a round trip every day.
Time spent, likely an hour. But call it 90 minutes.
That puts profits on that single run at 133-200 M/ hour.

Now, I know in the null sec world, most players don't even get out of bed for that.
But in high sec, they do.

The ONLY way that high sec mfg is not wrecked is if the null sec manufacturers can find other production lines that are more lucrative than that, like capital manufacturing , which ruins the niche market of some low sec cap manufacturers.

Edit...sorry, not gross profits. They are higher than that. That 175-210 M is how much less the mineral cost is for a null sec manufacturer for 7 Battleship hulls compared to a high sec manufacturer.

You are serious?
If you have to ask that question, you really don't have a clue.

Why don't YOU show me how you get over 30M/ hull.

i have to ask that question, because you provided 0 evidence of it, which is basically the only thing that substantiates such an outlandish claim such as yours.

so either answer it, or stop spewing incorrect crap all over the forums.