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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#121 - 2014-03-28 14:11:19 UTC
Marcia en Welle wrote:
Coffee Rocks wrote:
But some of you chose to make it your agenda to derail the discussion at all costs. For that, I'm saddened.

It was a GD thread, so to be honest, I would be surprised if that didn't happen.

Just looking at Chribba's statistics for that thread shows the usual suspects among the posters with a huge post count.

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Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-03-28 14:14:52 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Marcia en Welle wrote:
Coffee Rocks wrote:
But some of you chose to make it your agenda to derail the discussion at all costs. For that, I'm saddened.

It was a GD thread, so to be honest, I would be surprised if that didn't happen.

Just looking at Chribba's statistics for that thread shows the usual suspects among the posters with a huge post count.


It has crossed my mind that this would be a good time to start making examples of forum rules...

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Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#123 - 2014-03-28 14:15:28 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Marcia en Welle wrote:

Bye then. Although I seriously doubt you will actually quit, seems more like an attention seeking move to me.

Also, it is quite pathetic and self important of you to think that anyone really cares about whether you decide to quit or not.

If you are going to go, then go with at least a modicum of decency and without mouthing off and making threats on the forum. If enough people follow your move, then CCP will take notice when subscription numbers drop. Although I doubt that will happen.

Also. +1 for CCP statement. I don't really care what happened to Erotica, I didn't even both to listen to that audio. The main thing is the policy is correct and CCP implement it as they see fit.


So why reply. makes you feel special for calling people out as "attention seekers" lol? Or you want to get a lot of "likes" for being awesome?
Also attention seeking is a interesting term. My life is pretty ******* awesome and I'm here to play a game. Don't like things so I move on. So explain that term to me again cause I'm genuinely confused what are you referring to.
I simply said I will do that if we are left dark again so just confirming my word for CCP to acknowledge it.


People who feel the need to make threats about cancelling their accounts, (it is still a threat right now as you haven't actually done it yet), also obviously feel that their opinion and support is so important to the rest of us that they need to announce it on the forums.

Sounds like something that a self important kind of fool would say to me. As is someone announcing how awesome their life is on a forum when no one really cares and it is not relevant to the discussion.
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Industrie SA
#124 - 2014-03-28 14:15:33 UTC
That's a very clever and well-done statement I think.

It doesn't say what happened here is considered to be that, or if it is which of the persons was considered to be doing that, at all, really.

Clever, and likely appropriate given how divided people seem to be about the issue that prompted the massive threadnought.
Josef Djugashvilis
#125 - 2014-03-28 14:15:51 UTC
Prie Mary wrote:
I am glad CCP has taken a stand and drawn a line in the sand -box- so to speak.


Problem is, the sand blew and covered the line, so folk are still pretty clueless as to what is and what is not acceptable.

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Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#126 - 2014-03-28 14:20:06 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Prie Mary wrote:
I am glad CCP has taken a stand and drawn a line in the sand -box- so to speak.


Problem is, the sand blew and covered the line, so folk are still pretty clueless as to what is and what is not acceptable.

Does it actually matter? Neither me, and hopefully not you, will never go with an intention of causing someone harrassment outside of the game, so why is everyone so interested in knowing precisely where the line is drawn. Is that so you can push it to the boundry yourself, because if you are thinking like that then you are already not thinking right.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#127 - 2014-03-28 14:22:20 UTC
Erotica1 is still on the billboards in Jita, looming like a spectre over the capital of EVE, the idea of Ero1 will never die. Smile
Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#128 - 2014-03-28 14:23:52 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Erotica1 is still on the billboards in Jita, looming like a spectre over the capital of EVE, the idea of Ero1 will never die. Smile

Yes, because all these whinetards have encouraged here and made her even more important than the insignificant being she really is. Well done everyone.
BLerchg
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2014-03-28 14:24:59 UTC
Thank you, CCP for taking a stance against those disturbing people that dont know the difference between game and real life.
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2014-03-28 14:27:51 UTC
CCP,

I am the arbiter of punishments for Goonswarm Federation. Occasionally people do some dumb **** with our infrastructure and require some discipline. Are you saying I will get in trouble if I continue to make these people read erotic My Little Pony fanfiction over mumble and then record it and put it on youtube?

Thanks in advance,


Aryndel Vyst
Authorization Director
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm Federation
Office: VFK-IV
Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2014-03-28 14:29:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team



So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices.

If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#132 - 2014-03-28 14:31:00 UTC
So the same people who argued in the other thread are now bringing it to this thread...lovely.Roll
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#133 - 2014-03-28 14:33:31 UTC
Coffee Rocks wrote:


I do feel bad about one thing: we could have used that threadnaught to discuss how this entire underlying subject (harassment, abuse, and belittlement of fellow players) effects each of us in the long run in the realm of New Eden


Called it.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#134 - 2014-03-28 14:35:51 UTC
not enough sunlight and inbreeding, Its like Deliverance on that rock of theirs. Now squeal like a pig boy
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#135 - 2014-03-28 14:36:19 UTC
My eroticals hurt

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-03-28 14:37:16 UTC
Kethry Avenger wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team



So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices.

If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories.


Not a SINGLE person has said you can harass people. Where you seem to be caught up in the retoric is ASSUMING any harassment happened in the Sohkar case, when objective evidence says the opposite.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#137 - 2014-03-28 14:38:06 UTC
Aryndel Vyst wrote:
CCP,

I am the arbiter of punishments for Goonswarm Federation. Occasionally people do some dumb **** with our infrastructure and require some discipline. Are you saying I will get in trouble if I continue to make these people read erotic My Little Pony fanfiction over mumble and then record it and put it on youtube?

Thanks in advance,


Aryndel Vyst
Authorization Director
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm Federation
Office: VFK-IV



That would be a solid and authentic "maybe", Commissar. It all depends on if your subject feels harassed. Our you do. Or a random blogger.


Aside from all that, I hear you're a good source for erotic MLP fanfics. Tell me more....

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#138 - 2014-03-28 14:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Kethry Avenger wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team



So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices.

If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories.


Translation : get rid of people I don't like or lose my 15bux times however many accounts!

I once told a beautiful woman I dated who I thought was spending too much time with her business partner dude something similar: It's either him or me, CHOOSE!! I hear her and her husband/business partner (and her new girlfriend who is half Brazilian/half French) are very happy now all living together....... Sad I've learned to stfu now.

Door is that way ---->
Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
#139 - 2014-03-28 14:39:38 UTC
Oh great, another imminent threadnaught of people too busy waving placards to understand two basic principles of online games.

CCP will never make a definitive list of what is or is not harassment, griefing, exploits etc... because a) every case is different, and b) don't ever lock yourself into arbitrary precedents.

CCP will never tell you what actions they have or have not taken against any particular pilot, corporation, alliance, account or player. Confidentiality. It's a thing.

Good few folks round here need to the keyboard down and step away from the internet...

It's sunny outside. See ya.

o/
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#140 - 2014-03-28 14:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I had to read CCP's statement twice, but here's what I got from it:

We've been dealing with these kinds of incidents for 10 years already. We're not going to change any rules or the general asshat nature of the game. Feel free to be as mean and evil as always-- ingame. But-- Harassing people in real life is morally bad, and we don't approve. If we hear of a notorious or extraordinary case of it, we will take disciplinary action against player accounts.

Seems like business as usual to me. The only meat I see in that was the company took the stance that "real life harassment is morally reprehensible." That's something. Some people here might rage quit over that statement, if they notice it.