EVE General Discussion

CCP can't open themselves up claims they allow for the kind of behaviour that [I hear, but am not sure of] got E1 banned.

To the point where E1 got someone to give him all his assets, by just handing it over, I stand in awe that someone could do that. Who in their right mind would do something like that? What is the psychology at work here? How can pilot 1 give pilot 2 all his stuff by simple request? I don't get it. They got scammed hard. Eat your lumps, move on.

The way the 'out of client' experience works... I have a big problem with that. It would be something else if it was a bit of a ribbing, that's part of the experience, but to draw out the proceedings to the point where the guy snaps... that's not cool. It really isn't. It shouldn't be about that.

E1 is a skilled operator. Operator being the operating word. The things he does and the way he does them indicates someone who has professional experience in that space. He could either be a psychologist, a psychiatrist or be a [former] CIA operator. Finding people's buttons and then pushing them is what he does for a living. There is something disturbing on a deeper level by the way this was done. And it went one way only.

I heard about the 'sing for ransom' demands and I think they are hilarious, I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with a need for exacting real emotional pain from people, in a process designed for that purpose only.

It can't be about that, people. That is not what I log on for.

On the other hand, this is an extreme outlier. You hear about it because it is such a unique event. This happens rarely. The EVE population being what it is, maybe the likelihood of sociopaths gathering is what should be expected. Even then there's plenty of nefarious shenanigans to be had inside the client that we don't have to make it about psychological punishment.

Having said that, and it has been mentioned in various places, there was absolutely -nothing- stopping the pilot receiving the treatment from pulling the plug on the experience at any time. Do keep that in mind. E1 never had more control over him than what he allowed for by his own greed. At any point in the experience he could have concluded for himself "I'm doing something really really stupid here and I'm letting my own weakness get the better of me." That would have been a growing experience for him. To see that by his own actions, let's not forget that, he gave 'control' of sorts over what happens in his life over to someone else to exploit. You can sit back, in the moment, and reflect on that and say to yourself "This is not happening to me. It stops right here and now, and I consider the ISK lost as the price of the lesson." The guy has a wife. He should know by now that 'stupid' has consequences.

EVE is about deciding what your future will be like. Your decisions, your choice. If you see that someone is making undue claims about that, it's time to rethink the strategy and do something new.

I don't know really what people expect CCP to do in these circumstances. They can't be the police force, we don't want them to be the police force. Strictu sensu, as far as I can judge with limited information, E1 didn't even break the EULA since what people take offence to happened outside of the environment, admittedly directly related to the environment.

If it had been something that the 'victim' could not get away from, physical hostage taking, hacking the computer, the client, anything with direct access to the other person, I'd have a really big problem with that. Here, all it took was "Ok, I'm sick of this and I had enough. I'm done.", if he wanted to say something at all. What does it say about you as a person if you can't make that decision for yourself as an adult? Is it CCP's fault if you can't handle yourself? Is it, in the end, E1's fault that you go along with absolutely everything he asks for?

I don't know what my future in EVE will be, I hope it's long and full of shenanigans, but I promise you right here and now, and you can copy/paste me on it, that nobody will ever do this to me. There is a limit to my greed, there is a limit to what I will accept as treatment, there are boundaries for myself and others. If I have to explain to an adult that you don't invite someone to your home, give them all your stuff and then tell them "Here, that's everything. Now you decide what happens", I really don't know what to tell you.

As a parting gift I also want to offer the fact that illuminating this issue is also a way to do politics. With shaping the future of EVE. For my part I want it to be as dark as possible. The murky depths of the soul are the sea I want to fish in. I hope EVE does not lose that character to people who only want to fly their spaceships and want to be left alone. These people should visit Star Citizen. You can get a hangar these days, and sit in your shiny ship. You also don't need to worry about lots of bad people attacking you, the server can't handle it.

/He gave him all his assets. All of it. Can you believe that?

If you dont like the statement, or the decisions made, you can leave.

Nothing is stopping you.

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If you dont like emergent gameplay, or the sandbox, you can leave.

Nothing is stopping you.

If this is a game where 'emergent gameplay' is a blanket for any type of anti social destructive behaviour, then there is a problem. The anonymity of the internet sure has eroded morals.

Eve is more simulation than game. I firmly believe that if you put people into the same environment as Pod pilots you'd have exactly what we now have in the "game".

Last, but certainly not least, if you do not like what someone in Eve is doing then get together with a group of like minded people and do something in game about it other than cry to CCP to change the rules. Unfortunately crying seems to be the prevalent form of emergent game play lately...

...and that is exactly my point: if you don't like something then do something about it other than cry to CCP...

So let me get this straight, a very famous EvE Online blogger that's also a member of the CSM used his influence and power to start a witch-hunt on another player, for something that happened outside of the game that he condemns. In is moral high ground blog he harassed and persecuted the player, until a shitstorm thread started on the EvE Online forums, where he continued the witchcraft trial. The thread was closed and the player got banned.

This makes total sense to me...

Well that is a subjective way to view it, and a bit limited as well. It was just cause and effect, the cause being a players abuse of another in a way which broke every rule of decency and gameplay, the effect which you elude to happened because of that. Don't put the cart before the horse.

I condone griefers and gankers and any other way people find to blow up spaceships and take ISK, its all part of Eve. But when it goes beyond that, which in this case it clearly did, we need to stand together and say 'not here, not in the game we love' and put an end to it. I find Sohkars reaction a bit puzzling but not shocking, alot of people snap under such strain. But that is aside the point, Eve should remain a game in new eden, not one that spills onto other media forms and turns to harassment. That is just my view, I don't want to argue it, I just wanted to express it.

(by griefers I mean within the CCP ruleset of gameplay, not by directed harassment).