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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#881 - 2014-03-28 22:26:44 UTC
Stockholm syndrome is rampant in here. How long will Erotica 1 need to be banned before all these New Order/CODE/bonus room disciples return to normal?

Will they wake up a month from now and look back at their hero worship of a raving lunatic with embarrassment and shame? Or will it take a year or longer and some therapy? Therapy perhaps delivered EVE style if any of them ever undock.

I know it's hard to believe right now, little doves, but you'll get over it. You really will.

Mr Epeen Cool
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#882 - 2014-03-28 22:27:14 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
To me that's finding out someones personal information or bombarding someone with abusive posts. It isn't asking someone to sing after they've been scammed in a game famous for its scamming.


I would agree. And that has not changed :)


Except it has since that's exactly what Erotica 1 has been banned for.


Please explain in detail the thought process behind asking another player to dribble mayo on their mouth and take a picture. Then explain why E1 got so upset when people found personal details about his purchasing habits from info he left in public. Then tell us about his peanutbutter fetish. Explain why he was too extreme to remain in GS and was kicked. Why does he get his kicks from humiliating others. Then tell us all why we should give a rat's ass about another random weirdo that got caught out there fapping to other's misery.

You can't ,can you? You have to stick to the talking points you were issued.
Salvos Rhoska
#883 - 2014-03-28 22:27:19 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Except it has since that's exactly what Erotica 1 has been banned for.


How do you know what Erotica1 was banned for?

Cite your source please.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#884 - 2014-03-28 22:27:20 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I give up on all you sheeple.


We need something akin to Godwin's Law that states, "In any internet debate, where one side can't be convinced of a conspiracy theory, someone will refer to them as sheeple".

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#885 - 2014-03-28 22:27:31 UTC
Ssieth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand. It would be better to just ban it entirely and explicitly, since people would then know where they stand.
Repeatedly asking for clarification you've been told that someone cannot and will not provide, however, is pretty dumb and that kind of dumb wares anyone down eventually.

Yes, the line is a broad grey one rather than a nice neat one dividing black and white. As a result you'll need to exercise judgement and accept the consequences if you want to dance too close to the border of what is and isn't allowed. If you aren't prepared to accept those consequences then simply stay well clear of that line.
So we can get banned when someone has a sad, based purely off of the decision of the GM and the way the teary eyed "victim" making a strong case, and you think that's a good thing for the game?

You better damn well hope you never upset the wrong person, since we know how fairly the grey rules have been enforced in the past.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Tyrant Scorn
#886 - 2014-03-28 22:27:54 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


I heard that too...I think they are going to make it a thing in the next patch. No,not really I'm just messing with you.

Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.


Who was unacceptable in that recording ? All I heard from the victim is N words, gutting peoples mother, threatening people... Who was crossing the line in that recording... you tell me... please, because I don't have a switch where I twist my morals around and allow myself to feel sorry for the victim.

The Tyrant King

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Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#887 - 2014-03-28 22:28:02 UTC
To all the folks here worried about this because they can't understand what is "gameplay" and what is "sadistic", let me sum it up for you:

CCP:

Ahem.

"Just have faith in the process."

Thank you.

You never fly alone - Broadcast 4 Reps | Twitter: @thecoffeerocks | Steam: CoffeeRocks
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#888 - 2014-03-28 22:28:05 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Danalee wrote:
stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?
D.

Bear

Oh goodness, how wrong you are. It has been repeatedly reported in this thread that those have been, and will continue to be, completetly acceptable in game activities.

Are you reduced to just trolling now?


Nope.
It has been reported that we can do all that and than some.
BUT
If your "victim" "feels" "threatened" you should "back off" or be "banned".
So how far from which line should I be to prevent someone from having feelings over stuff?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#889 - 2014-03-28 22:29:23 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
As it should be otherwise players would be constantly rule lawyering. Exercise some common sense and you'll be peachy.
Like people aren't going to rule lawyer anyway? I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#890 - 2014-03-28 22:29:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ssieth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand. It would be better to just ban it entirely and explicitly, since people would then know where they stand.
Repeatedly asking for clarification you've been told that someone cannot and will not provide, however, is pretty dumb and that kind of dumb wares anyone down eventually.

Yes, the line is a broad grey one rather than a nice neat one dividing black and white. As a result you'll need to exercise judgement and accept the consequences if you want to dance too close to the border of what is and isn't allowed. If you aren't prepared to accept those consequences then simply stay well clear of that line.
So we can get banned when someone has a sad, based purely off of the decision of the GM and the way the teary eyed "victim" making a strong case, and you think that's a good thing for the game?

You better damn well hope you never upset the wrong person, since we know how fairly the grey rules have been enforced in the past.


Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.
Jebediah Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#891 - 2014-03-28 22:30:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Except it has since that's exactly what Erotica 1 has been banned for.


How do you know what Erotica1 was banned for?

Cite your source please.


He was banned for the bonus room, that should be pretty clear. I would hardly call what went on there the equivalent of finding out someones personal information.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#892 - 2014-03-28 22:30:21 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
hero worship of a raving lunatic with embarrassment and shame


The man is banned.

Why keep insulting him but to rub salt in the wound?

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#893 - 2014-03-28 22:30:25 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Danalee wrote:
stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?
D.

Bear

Oh goodness, how wrong you are. It has been repeatedly reported in this thread that those have been, and will continue to be, completetly acceptable in game activities.

Are you reduced to just trolling now?


Nope.
It has been reported that we can do all that and than some.
BUT
If your "victim" "feels" "threatened" you should "back off" or be "banned".
So how far from which line should I be to prevent someone from having feelings over stuff?

D.

Bear



Figure it out for yourself. Then come back and report to us if you are still able to log in.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#894 - 2014-03-28 22:30:48 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


Malcanis put it on about 15 pages in.

Apparently there are going to be some more unwritten and unsubstantiated rules to prevent people from using this to meta people into getting banned.

This despite their firm affirmation to subjectivity in "the line" being crossed when someone gets upset.


Not at all, well if you lack any kind of comprehension of the English written language and are a total psychopath yeah maybe you will have some issues.



lol I got called a psychopath earlier today for "liking to win" on mechwartrior online

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#895 - 2014-03-28 22:30:54 UTC
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#896 - 2014-03-28 22:31:03 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
As it should be otherwise players would be constantly rule lawyering. Exercise some common sense and you'll be peachy.
Like people aren't going to rule lawyer anyway? I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.


Let the fools try to rule lawyer and we'll leave the rest to the GM's shall we?
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#897 - 2014-03-28 22:31:37 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Vance Armistice wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


I heard that too...I think they are going to make it a thing in the next patch. No,not really I'm just messing with you.

Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.


Who was unacceptable in that recording ? All I heard from the victim is N words, gutting peoples mother, threatening people... Who was crossing the line in that recording... you tell me... please, because I don't have a switch where I twist my morals around and allow myself to feel sorry for the victim.


There is an "s" at the end of the word "recording" there are several. Exercise your due diligence and go find them, we don't have time to bring you up to speed.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#898 - 2014-03-28 22:31:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
As it should be otherwise players would be constantly rule lawyering. Exercise some common sense and you'll be peachy.
Like people aren't going to rule lawyer anyway? I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.


Not empty quoting.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Prince Kobol
#899 - 2014-03-28 22:31:58 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


Malcanis put it on about 15 pages in.

Apparently there are going to be some more unwritten and unsubstantiated rules to prevent people from using this to meta people into getting banned.

This despite their firm affirmation to subjectivity in "the line" being crossed when someone gets upset.


Not at all, well if you lack any kind of comprehension of the English written language and are a total psychopath yeah maybe you will have some issues.



lol I got called a psychopath earlier today for "liking to win" on mechwartrior online


Hehe, I been called a lot worse but then again most of it was true so can't really complain Big smile
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#900 - 2014-03-28 22:32:09 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game"



killing, scamming, etc etc etc etc all completely not falling under that line roflmao

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.