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Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#821 - 2014-03-28 22:01:59 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Alyth Nerun wrote:
[I used to not care at all about this and not petition it. I just changed this policy, because new meta.

So many cares, so many feels, so much emotion. Wow.


Be careful what you say. Bro. These CODE guys are not to be trifled with. They are actually Agents and they have a website and a code and a spaceship and permits. It's all so impressive.

Apparently, they have a lot of feelings too.

He won't get death threats in the future he will just get links to his tears in his thread. How emasculating...OooooooH Myyyyyyyyy!



You, sir, owe me a new keyboard. You just made me snort coffee onto mine Roll Not that I've not had a few giggles just at the thought of CODE trying to go nullsec.

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.
Moja Hinken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#822 - 2014-03-28 22:02:01 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
No I'm tired and I've had enough. If what I've already posted hasn't made the reality clear, then anything I post after this won't do it either.

I've earned my free holiday to Iceland, and you can all **** off and act like sensible human beings.
I believe I have not misbehaved. I was merely asking a question because I am genuinely interested in knowing the answer.
You should have asked sooner then. Too bad.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the CSM. How people that act like this voted against the long held HTFU nature of EVE and in favour of crying players with no self control I have no idea.


It is hilarious how butt hurt you are. I mean REALLY hilarious. He was elected CSM because he is a man of morality. He is mature enough to decide what is right and what is wrong, this has showed in his responses. The majority of the player base were able to see this and in turn voted for him. I wouldn't expect a fellow sociopath of Erotica 1 to understand this, it is clear in your posts you are just that. Nothing in the game has changed, only the same rules that have been here forever have been reinforced. So why are you so mad, really? Is it because you realize you are on the wrong side of this and are hopeless flailing around grasping at anything that may help prove your sadistic points? I think so.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#823 - 2014-03-28 22:02:04 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
when all that's lost is a few pixels and a bit of face.

The "it's just pixels" argument is fine to make if talking about your pixels. But if I got mine with GTC, or spending 300 hours mining, they may represent more than just "pixels" to me.

I hate when people pull the "just pixels" crap in Eve, when we know full well people make massive time, energy and money commitments to be here. If you're carefree with your pixels, grand. Don't assume everyone feels as you do.

Btw, give me your pixels, since they are "just a few pixels".


Well let me clarify. Maybe you have attachment to your pixels for the reasons you have stated, but nonetheless you are playing EVE, you know the nature of the game. You know if you contract everything you own out to someone there's a chance you won't get it back. So when that happens it is indeed unreasonable to fly off the wall like you've caught someone making death threats to your mother, whether the scammer has asked you to sing a song or not.


Well, let me clarify. Continuing your TS scam of a player beyond the point where there is anything further to obtain from that player is wrong, is taking the game too far, and can get you in trouble. When your only goal is to get real tears in the chat channel, then you have crossed a line. If that seems unreasonable to you then you're not in this for the game.


Yeah, dont use TS when doing it and youre completely fine. No out of game problems

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#824 - 2014-03-28 22:02:39 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
THAT'S why almost all the botters are in highsec, and THAT is why the New Order operates there.

Someone has never been to the dronelands.


Correct. I hate nullsec. Politics and intel pipelines and nullbears.
Locals dock up when a red enters system, and nobody assembles to fight a hostile small gang.

It's infuriating. Give me lowsec piracy and small gang PvP, any day, over that noise.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#825 - 2014-03-28 22:03:03 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So let me get a stab at this...

Erotica1 and friends scam someone from all of his assets and his isk and made a recording of them trolling him on TeamSpeak while they are doing it. Keep in mind, the victim goes through the process of contracting all of his assets to the scammers and doing this willingly.

After an hour and 45 minutes the victim goes completely berserk and starts threatening the scammers with real life threats, he calls them names and at some point even goes as far as using racist terms such as the N word.

Mind everyone, Erotica1 and his friends stay completely cool and have done nothing out of the ordinary for ingame Eve Online standards. They are not responsible for other peoples stupidity and can not see into the future that their actions will set the victim off like this. But it is in no way their fault. Every man is responsible for what he says regardless. A scamming action is no valid reason for calling people the N word or threatening them in real life. There is no justification for any of what the victim said to them, period.

But now, from what I understand CCP faults Erotica1 and his friends for what they have done...

Is it me or did their morals drop down below zero on this ? I think the fact someone is using such language, in such a hostile way is far more offensive then what Erotica1 did. In fact, CCP nurtures scamming behavior... So who is at fault here and why ????


You've got it absolutely right. Lets look at what actually happened, Erotica scammed someone, that's acceptable in eve. For a little fun he plays a little wind up game, having the victim sing, arguably no worse than trash talking in local. Then Sokhar starts swearing, being racist and acting like a madman at Erotica simply for doing things that are perfectly allowed in the game. At no point does Erotica descend to Sokhar's level, remaining the professional scammer he was. Surely it is Sokhar who is the bad guy in this story, getting angry at Erotica for doing what people in eve do.


Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#826 - 2014-03-28 22:04:42 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Didnt you leave the thread like twice already? Also; DOES this new form of PVP extend to the forums?


Unlike some folks, I do leave. Then come back. That's called "breaks" (or, you know: work, school, RL in general).

Take one.

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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#827 - 2014-03-28 22:04:42 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Final score:

CCP: 1
Internet psychos: 0

It is a good day in New Eden. Big smile


It's starting to sound like it doesn't it? And who would have known that griefer tears would be such a delicate nectar?

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#828 - 2014-03-28 22:05:27 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I'm not a New Order Agent.... I'm just a regular pirate :p


I just said that...Shocked



I see that my trollpost skills have not evaded your notice :p

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#829 - 2014-03-28 22:06:43 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
No I'm tired and I've had enough. If what I've already posted hasn't made the reality clear, then anything I post after this won't do it either.

I've earned my free holiday to Iceland, and you can all **** off and act like sensible human beings.
I believe I have not misbehaved. I was merely asking a question because I am genuinely interested in knowing the answer.
You should have asked sooner then. Too bad.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the CSM. How people that act like this voted against the long held HTFU nature of EVE and in favour of crying players with no self control I have no idea.


I think Malcanis was gently attempting to assist you to live by the HTFU code but your neediness drove him from the thread in frustration.

You were all like "Look Ma! I'm in a thread with a real life CSM guy, let me bug him, be right back"
Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand. It would be better to just ban it entirely and explicitly, since people would then know where they stand.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#830 - 2014-03-28 22:07:25 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

We now have a rule, don't push a 'victim" to the point of emotional distress... and that rule will be examined to see if it is applicable in each ticket they receive about an incident like this.


We now have a post from a CSM that says as much. NO RULE as of yet.
We are also banning people who broke said "rule" before it was written by said CSM.

Keep up, please.

D.

Bear


Eve has consequences...don't go into the bonus room if you can't afford to lose...it...


but the bonus room wasn't part of EVE was it. The EVE part was already dealt with when the ISK was scammed using legal game tactics. The bonus room was about inflicting humiliation to publish publicly. If these sessions were never recorded and never published then we wouldn't be here having this threadnaught part 2.

If it was about EVE and in game gain why is there a need to publish recordings of taking someone to the edge and over unless it is for perverse *****'n'giggles or possible other darker motivations.

Thats why saying its all about EVE having consequences is a **** poor excuse to try and justify unacceptable behaviour. What happens in EVE stays in EVE and everyone is a happy camper. Start shitposting about how you got someone to go ballistic to the point where their wife is on comms trying to calm them down and then releasing it for your own mental masturbatory reasons stops being part of EVE and the game. If people can't see the difference here then they really are deranged.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#831 - 2014-03-28 22:07:31 UTC
Louis Robichaud wrote:

It's starting to sound like it doesn't it? And who would have known that griefer tears would be such a delicate nectar?


So you don't feel the dev post provides very little guidance, and does not address the issue at hand.
You changed your mind and thought now to be as good a time as any to join the army of pitchfork wielding trolls.

Gotcha Louis. And here I was thinking you had a mind of your own Roll

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#832 - 2014-03-28 22:07:46 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!


That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#833 - 2014-03-28 22:07:55 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
THAT'S why almost all the botters are in highsec, and THAT is why the New Order operates there.

Someone has never been to the dronelands.


Correct. I hate nullsec. Politics and intel pipelines and nullbears.
Locals dock up when a red enters system, and nobody assembles to fight a hostile small gang.

It's infuriating. Give me lowsec piracy and small gang PvP, any day, over that noise.

I can agree with that.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#834 - 2014-03-28 22:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahost Gceo
Quote:

I tried snipping. I failed, I am sorry.


Quote:
Care Bear?!? Do you have any idea who you are messing with? This is the King of J-Space, you should be happy he even let you comment in his thread.


I generally don't like pulling the "this is who I am" epeen card but it would behoove someone in an argument to either learn something about his opponent so he can make accurate remarks or just skip the ad hominem insinuations altogether.

That being said, you should see Proc Diadochu whip it on C4 nerds in their threads. He is the king of J-Space shitposting. B)

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#835 - 2014-03-28 22:08:36 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!


That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.


On what planet?

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Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#836 - 2014-03-28 22:10:22 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So let me get a stab at this...

Erotica1 and friends scam someone from all of his assets and his isk and made a recording of them trolling him on TeamSpeak while they are doing it. Keep in mind, the victim goes through the process of contracting all of his assets to the scammers and doing this willingly.

After an hour and 45 minutes the victim goes completely berserk and starts threatening the scammers with real life threats, he calls them names and at some point even goes as far as using racist terms such as the N word.

Mind everyone, Erotica1 and his friends stay completely cool and have done nothing out of the ordinary for ingame Eve Online standards. They are not responsible for other peoples stupidity and can not see into the future that their actions will set the victim off like this. But it is in no way their fault. Every man is responsible for what he says regardless. A scamming action is no valid reason for calling people the N word or threatening them in real life. There is no justification for any of what the victim said to them, period.

But now, from what I understand CCP faults Erotica1 and his friends for what they have done...

Is it me or did their morals drop down below zero on this ? I think the fact someone is using such language, in such a hostile way is far more offensive then what Erotica1 did. In fact, CCP nurtures scamming behavior... So who is at fault here and why ????


You've got it absolutely right. Lets look at what actually happened, Erotica scammed someone, that's acceptable in eve. For a little fun he plays a little wind up game, having the victim sing, arguably no worse than trash talking in local. Then Sokhar starts swearing, being racist and acting like a madman at Erotica simply for doing things that are perfectly allowed in the game. At no point does Erotica descend to Sokhar's level, remaining the professional scammer he was. Surely it is Sokhar who is the bad guy in this story, getting angry at Erotica for doing what people in eve do.


Please explain in detail the thought process behind asking another player to dribble mayo on their mouth and take a picture. Then explain why E1 got so upset when people found personal details about his purchasing habits from info he left in public. Then tell us about his peanutbutter fetish. Explain why he was too extreme to remain in GS and was kicked. Why does he get his kicks from humiliating others. Then tell us all why we should give a rat's ass about another random weirdo that got caught out there fapping to other's misery. Do all of this on minerhugging.com because no one here gives a ****.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#837 - 2014-03-28 22:10:52 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the CSM. How people that act like this voted against the long held HTFU nature of EVE and in favour of crying players with no self control I have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEThUO__Uo
I think you really need to look at the definition there son.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#838 - 2014-03-28 22:11:01 UTC
I'm glad a decision has been made.

I know some of the more "hardocre" players are having to suck a bitter pill right now, but generally speaking this decision won't affect them in the slightest.

Despite their reaction, most of them won't ever have taken something as far as Erotica1 did.

I wasn't particularly in favour of a ban, as stated in the threadnought. I can however respect the fact that CCP decided that they weren't comfortable with something.

I for one applaud them for making a decision and standing by it.

Case by case is all you need to know.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Jebediah Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#839 - 2014-03-28 22:11:17 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!


That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.


Pretty sure using racist language is against the rules. Erotica 1 broke no rules when he scammed. He broke no rules when he asked Sokhar to sing. Sokhar broke the rules first when he said racist things, when he threatened Erotica's mother.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#840 - 2014-03-28 22:12:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Fair enough. Well spoken.

I"m absolutely sure some knuckleheads will try to cite this case after "losing emotional control" to get compensation for a gank or war dec (which will be unsuccessful of course).

I'm a bit concerned about people throwing a fit just to force a person to back away from a scam or prank... but hopefully that flexibility built into CCP's official stance will keep people from abusing it as a "you can't touch me" card.


Unsurprisingly, we also raised this issue.

Let's just say that anyone attempting to use this ruling for metagaming is going to be very unsatisfied with the results.

They'll probably complain about it for months in the forums of whatever MMO they go on to play next.


I certainly hope it was raised and discussed. That was one of my primary objections to this entire premise of subjectively drawing the line at "when they get upset, you have to lay off", because it encourages people to draw the line at "upset" to be shorter and shorter.

It incentivizes losing your mind about in game losses to inflict meta punishment on someone else.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.