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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#41 - 2014-03-28 13:13:46 UTC
Salvos Rhoska
#42 - 2014-03-28 13:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Policy or EULA/TOS change was never necessary.

All the required elements already exist there.

What was required, was a delineation and statement which ones of those CCP is prepared to enact and enforce.
The statement reinforces what is already there.

We can all go back to playing EVE happily knowing that concerns on all sides where heard, deliberated on, and a result was achieved in the form of the statement.

Gf.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#43 - 2014-03-28 13:14:09 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
So move along pretty much.

Ok.

Watch my accounts.

Later.

*** not a rage quit.
Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.


Holla at ya. Don't forget to tell us how many accounts so I know how many new accounts to sub to compensate.


Go cry more noob lol.
And **** yeah I'll give my stuff away :)
To all the nice people I know of course


So wait. You post telling ccp you are quitting the game (thus costing them money, which is a lie of course, you won't quit)) because they didn't do what you wanted them to and somehow that turns into 'me' crying.

I know you Ero haters were out there, but damn lol.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2014-03-28 13:15:10 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
All I know is, I'm not buckling up for another few hundred pages of mouth frothing qq'ing. Thank you, CCP, for stating what we already knew and 100% support.


Same, those who choose to remain blind can do so freely as of now.

Erotica 1 For CSM!


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-03-28 13:16:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Regis Solo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
All I know is, I'm not buckling up for another few hundred pages of mouth frothing qq'ing. Thank you, CCP, for stating what we already knew and 100% support.


Yes a CCP cave in to the power block


Call it what you want. They're not going to satisfy your craving for Ero's blood because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases. They NEVER EVER EVER EVER do it and anyone that's filed a petition against anyone knows this. You don't get to know what happens, no one does. It'll probably become public knowledge soon enough IF Ero or sohkar get a ban out of this but, it won't be CCP telling you because they never will and never have. That's their policy, and no one gets special circumstances. Deal with it and move on. If you're going to quit over this policy, then do so. I assure you it will be a minority of you actually qq'ing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lady Areola Fappington
#46 - 2014-03-28 13:17:55 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Call it what you want. They're not going to satisfy your craving for Ero's blood because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases. They NEVER EVER EVER EVER do it and anyone that's filed a petition against anyone knows this. You don't get to know what happens, no one does. It'll probably become public knowledge soon enough IF Ero or sohkar get a ban out of this but, it won't be CCP telling you because they never will and never have. That's their policy, and no one gets special circumstances. Deal with it and move on. If you're going to quit over this policy, then do so. I assure you it will be a minority of you actually qq'ing.



Except for Mittens. That was speshul.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-03-28 13:18:12 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team


First question is what do you define as extraordinary case .

Second question is why no public response given that Erotica1 Put this in public domain like mittens did back in fanfest. Double standard i think .
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-03-28 13:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Call it what you want. They're not going to satisfy your craving for Ero's blood because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases. They NEVER EVER EVER EVER do it and anyone that's filed a petition against anyone knows this. You don't get to know what happens, no one does. It'll probably become public knowledge soon enough IF Ero or sohkar get a ban out of this but, it won't be CCP telling you because they never will and never have. That's their policy, and no one gets special circumstances. Deal with it and move on. If you're going to quit over this policy, then do so. I assure you it will be a minority of you actually qq'ing.



Except for Mittens. That was speshul.


Was it CCP who announced his ban, or was it Mittens himself?

EDIT: It looks like you're right, and the special circumstance was the fact that he was CSM Chair and a public figure. No such special circumstances have occurred here, however. Ero may be running for CSM but he hasn't been voted in yet.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2014-03-28 13:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
olan2005 wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team


First question is what do you define as extraordinary case .

Second question is why no public response given that Erotica1 Put this in public domain like mittens did back in fanfest. Double standard i think .


Mittens did it AT FANFEST, AKA: REAL LIFE. AKA extraordinary case.
Nuff said.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#50 - 2014-03-28 13:20:08 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Cedric deBouilard wrote:
so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?

I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech


No. The statement was made in a very smart way.

To the pirate types, who really read the words, it only talks about real life harassment.

To the carebear types who don't read the words, it clearly says "erotica 1 was harassing that man."

So it get's the people on the witchhunt to stop by, in their mind, making the case look closed, while the pirates and reality simply say this is the same statement the EULA makes.


+1

I really do think that some of the "anti-gank/scam/bad guy" type people saw this as an opportunity to strike a blow against the things they don't like aka 'piggy backing their pet issues onto this one.

Lord knows the original thread had enough 'you see what scamming leads to" and "see, eve bad guys are bad guys IRL" posts.
Lady Areola Fappington
#51 - 2014-03-28 13:20:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Call it what you want. They're not going to satisfy your craving for Ero's blood because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases. They NEVER EVER EVER EVER do it and anyone that's filed a petition against anyone knows this. You don't get to know what happens, no one does. It'll probably become public knowledge soon enough IF Ero or sohkar get a ban out of this but, it won't be CCP telling you because they never will and never have. That's their policy, and no one gets special circumstances. Deal with it and move on. If you're going to quit over this policy, then do so. I assure you it will be a minority of you actually qq'ing.



Except for Mittens. That was speshul.


Was it CCP who announced his ban, or was it Mittens himself?


CCP did. They made it amazingly clear that it was a one-time ever thing, too.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#52 - 2014-03-28 13:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
So move along pretty much.

Ok.

Watch my accounts.

Later.

*** not a rage quit.
Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.


Holla at ya. Don't forget to tell us how many accounts so I know how many new accounts to sub to compensate.


Go cry more noob lol.
And **** yeah I'll give my stuff away :)
To all the nice people I know of course


So wait. You post telling ccp you are quitting the game (thus costing them money, which is a lie of course, you won't quit)) because they didn't do what you wanted them to and somehow that turns into 'me' crying.

I know you Ero haters were out there, but damn lol.


No, I'm selling my toons to convert them to ISK, giving ISK to my friends so they can continue doing what they like and I quit.
It's actually that simple.

Sometimes in life you disagree with things and you can either choke it up or move. Nothing extraordinary here.
My point is sometimes you need to make a statement or set a rule that will be clear to all and in best interest of the whole community.
CCP goes vague again and that's where my road parts.
I don't have that MANY accounts but it's something and while I'm sure it won't make a difference to them it will to me. I stood to my principle and honestly whatever you do in life that's how you should go through it.
I'm here for quite a while now but I know this is just a game and never really looked at it in any other way. One of many out there. :)

Good luck to all and wish you all the best. :)
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2014-03-28 13:22:23 UTC
How much for PinkPanter?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-03-28 13:22:37 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Call it what you want. They're not going to satisfy your craving for Ero's blood because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases. They NEVER EVER EVER EVER do it and anyone that's filed a petition against anyone knows this. You don't get to know what happens, no one does. It'll probably become public knowledge soon enough IF Ero or sohkar get a ban out of this but, it won't be CCP telling you because they never will and never have. That's their policy, and no one gets special circumstances. Deal with it and move on. If you're going to quit over this policy, then do so. I assure you it will be a minority of you actually qq'ing.



Except for Mittens. That was speshul.


Was it CCP who announced his ban, or was it Mittens himself?


CCP did. They made it amazingly clear that it was a one-time ever thing, too.


Yeah, I noticed, I just looked up the dev blogs explaining it again. It looks like it was due to his very public nature and the fact that he was in a particularly public position as CSM Chair.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lady Areola Fappington
#55 - 2014-03-28 13:22:40 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:


No, I'm selling my toons to convert them to ISK, giving ISK to my friends so they can continue doing what they like and I quit.
It's actually that simple.

Sometimes in life you disagree with things and you can either choke it up or move. Nothing extraordinary here.
My point is sometimes you need to make a statement or set a rule that will be clear to all and in best interest of the whole community.
CCP goes vague again and that's where my road parts.
I don't have that MANY accounts but it's something and while I'm sure it won't make a difference to them it will to me. I stood to my principle and honestly whatever you do in life that's how you should go through it.
This is just a game. One of many out there. :)

Good luck to all and wish you all the best. :)



Have fun, and good luck in your future games!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#56 - 2014-03-28 13:22:55 UTC
Kristalll wrote:


CRAZY PEOPLE ARE CRAZY how do we have anything to do with that?


If indeed Kristalll is the one having the Twitch-stream called Kristallnacht, it's an expert.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-03-28 13:23:21 UTC
Danalee wrote:
How much for PinkPanter?

D.

Bear


tree fiddy

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#58 - 2014-03-28 13:24:16 UTC
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#59 - 2014-03-28 13:24:55 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
So move along pretty much.

Ok.

Watch my accounts.

Later.

*** not a rage quit.
Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.


Holla at ya. Don't forget to tell us how many accounts so I know how many new accounts to sub to compensate.


Go cry more noob lol.
And **** yeah I'll give my stuff away :)
To all the nice people I know of course


So wait. You post telling ccp you are quitting the game (thus costing them money, which is a lie of course, you won't quit)) because they didn't do what you wanted them to and somehow that turns into 'me' crying.

I know you Ero haters were out there, but damn lol.


No, I'm selling my toons to convert them to ISK, giving ISK to my friends so they can continue doing what they like and I quit.
It's actually that simple.

Sometimes in life you disagree with things and you can either choke it up or move. Nothing extraordinary here.
My point is sometimes you need to make a statement or set a rule that will be clear to all and in best interest of the whole community.
CCP goes vague again and that's where my road parts.
I don't have that MANY accounts but it's something and while I'm sure it won't make a difference to them it will to me. I stood to my principle and honestly whatever you do in life that's how you should go through it.
This is just a game. One of many out there. :)

Good luck to all and wish you all the best. :)



That's your right and good luck to you, but it's down right silly to quit a game because some dude who wasn't you lost some virtual things to a trickster type then made a fool of himself trying to get his stuff back. No one died here (despite the threats) and the so called victim is cool with everything.

If this sort of thing gets to you then you decision to be a denizen of the internet in any form might be kind of suspect. Life is harsh.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-03-28 13:24:57 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Danalee wrote:
How much for PinkPanter?

D.

Bear


tree fiddy


SWEET!! Only half an hour till four twenty then? Cool

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104