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Vilar Diin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#481 - 2014-03-28 19:27:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
I dont get why scamming someone stupid enough to give you all their stuff is so bad -.-

You have to be stupid enough to give them all your stuff. Thats rule number one breaking right there. Move on lol


CCP have no problem whatsover with scamming. They were extremely clear on this when we discussed the matter with them.

Suicide ganking, piracy, awoxing, scamming. spying, propaganda, lying, 0.01ing and so on are all perfectly fine. I personally went to considerable trouble to make sure that my deep concerns on those activities were addressed, and CCP's answers were 100% on the money as far as I'm concerned.

This. Is. Not. About. The. Scam.

It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.


I like you. Can we keep him?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#482 - 2014-03-28 19:27:33 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.


Then talking to them on TS was evil?

Like I said, I guess I just dont get it

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#483 - 2014-03-28 19:27:55 UTC
Kaius Fero wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
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Here is a direct question to you as a fail politician. Why I should vote you.. or anybody else? So far your an useless nothing, the whole CSM is a joke. Dafuq are guys doing there except drinking shiat with ccp? Look at the reprocessing blog.. you were owned by the major null sec alliances and you are nothing more like a pet. So remind me.. why I need to vote for csm?

I can scam and fuk up people without your support nor ccp EULA &shiat.. really.. give me a really good reason why ANY eve players should vote!


The CSMs been a joke since the beginning lol the whole REASON for it in the first place was to go to Iceland and watchdog CCP so that another T20 couldnt happen. That was impossible to start with lol

Well.. I hate politicians with a passion. Good news is that in EVE I can kill them over an over.. and over. Maybe bring them in a glory hole with a lot of prizes. Malcanis.. do you like mayo?


Mayo is delicious. Only make it with really fresh free range eggs and good quality oil, though. Choose your oil according to what your mayo is going to be used for.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#484 - 2014-03-28 19:27:56 UTC
Minerbumping.com is saying E1 has been permabanned.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#485 - 2014-03-28 19:28:36 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
As I predicted, the weaseling segment of the community wants a clearly defined line (to circumvent) and CCP is showing pure genius in not providing one and stating intent to judge each case individually.
(Thereby causing much grief to those who want to cause much grief)

That segment of the community cannot claim that CCP is not in touch with them. Heck they should be saying "ah well played, masters." and move on.
You won't be so happy with those unclear lines when you give an offhand remark and get banned because the person you said it to has a sad.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#486 - 2014-03-28 19:28:46 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.


Then talking to them on TS was evil?

Like I said, I guess I just dont get it


Then get this: once you've got all your target's money and killed all his ships, leave him alone.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Pew Terror
All of it
#487 - 2014-03-28 19:30:13 UTC
For everyone not understanding this post:

They said that you just should not be a RL tard to people or face consequences. If you can't judge wethere you are being a tard at any given moment, you are probaby being one at that very moment and was most of your life.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#488 - 2014-03-28 19:30:45 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

The CSMs been a joke since the beginning lol the whole REASON for it in the first place was to go to Iceland and watchdog CCP so that another T20 couldnt happen. That was impossible to start with lol


I would never disagree with that. Ever.

Make a thread about it and I'll join in. But this thread is about something else entirely.

Mr Epeen Cool


I was extremely concerned to make sure that erotica1 got due process. You may recall that I took considerable heat for speaking up for his right to fair treatment.

After considerable dialogue with CCP's community team (that was the 2 days when we all went quiet and were "doing nothing" I came away fully satisfied that CCP's intended action was fair, justified and within their previously stated rules.


Again, what was changed in the rules that reflects their new stance on this "evil" being against the rules? In the OP, as I already said, they seem to say "these are the ToS/EULA, dont break them" but they dont say what was broken, or what was updated.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#489 - 2014-03-28 19:31:06 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
I guess I just dont get it



I think that may have been noticed.

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Kaius Fero
#490 - 2014-03-28 19:31:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
0

Here is a direct question to you as a fail politician. Why I should vote you.. or anybody else? So far your an useless nothing, the whole CSM is a joke. Dafuq are guys doing there except drinking shiat with ccp? Look at the reprocessing blog.. you were owned by the major null sec alliances and you are nothing more like a pet. So remind me.. why I need to vote for csm?

I can scam and fuk up people without your support nor ccp EULA &shiat.. really.. give me a really good reason why ANY eve players should vote!


The CSMs been a joke since the beginning lol the whole REASON for it in the first place was to go to Iceland and watchdog CCP so that another T20 couldnt happen. That was impossible to start with lol

Well.. I hate politicians with a passion. Good news is that in EVE I can kill them over an over.. and over. Maybe bring them in a glory hole with a lot of prizes. Malcanis.. do you like mayo?


Mayo is delicious. Only make it with really fresh free range eggs and good quality oil, though. Choose your oil according to what your mayo is going to be used for.

Oil! That's important if you have no ****! But hey. we can use ICE. Yes.. I'm a pervert :(

Anselmo & The Illegals
Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#491 - 2014-03-28 19:31:29 UTC
Vilar Diin wrote:
"We need our Evil Emperors (TheMittani), our Tywin Lannister (Baltec1) and the other assorted scoundrels out there, we even need the phosphorescent green mold that accumulates under many space urinals (The New Order).

What we don't need is a Hannibal Lector mind humping his prey before eating their liver with a nice Chianti, it's not good press, it's not good for player retention and it is not good for the community.

That recording is truly awful and if it evokes such a primal response Eve players (arguably a harder bunch than average) imagine it in the hands of a politician that wants to add restrictions to gaming, mother's being asked for their cc# so a new guy can make an account etc.etc.

Our Hannibal is obviously extremely intelligent and he can change his act if he chooses to, so banning, not the best option in my opinion. He did a disgusting thing, but many things I see in this game, particularly in this thread, which seems to have attracted the worst of the worst in this game, sicken me. However, it's not my game to say what is acceptable; CCP and the community will have to decide." -Drone16

Have to agree here. I would like to think that the person "roleplaying" a truly reprehensible individual in game is not some sort of "spread the lotion on itself..." kind of guy in real life.

After all, the game is Rated:Teen, not 45 with peanut butter issues

I like the stance CCP took, keep the douchebaggery, but let everyone know there are limits that they will determine on a case by case.
I'm hoping they actually will learn something from this, but I don't expect them to come here and admit it. But hope springs eternal.

I don't know how many people have listened to the stream from last night, but at one point, it came out that the player behind Erotica 1 was talking to Sohkar that same night under one of his other alts, beancounter Jaynara. I haven't listened again to the audio, but my recollection is that Jaynara was complaining about having lost money to Erotica and Sohkar actually volunteered to try to get it back for him. Not only that, Sohkar told Jaynara he planned to PLEX up to take Erotica on.

I'll have to find the audio and listen to that part again to confirm the details, but it'd be interesting to hear more about how that whole thing went down.

Also, it sounds like Ero may have caught a ban of some sort, so I guess he won't be able to answer here, but if he does do an AMA on reddit, one question I'd have is how it felt to know that the guy you're scamming and pushing to the point of a meltdown is there because he's trying to HELP one of your alts.
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#492 - 2014-03-28 19:32:20 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
The only EvE Online player that should get a ban is Ripard Teg, he started this shitstorm and harassed other players.


Since Xuixien declined to answer when she similarly lambasted Ripard's blog, let's try this metaphorical question on you:


So, when you have a festering splinter, do you blame your pain receptors or do you try to remove the splinter & infection?


Here, let me give you a better analogy:

If you're playing rugby and someone tackles you and you skin your knee, who should you really be mad at: The person who tackles you or the guy who rubs salt on the wound?


Yourself, for not assessing the situasion properly..
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#493 - 2014-03-28 19:32:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.


Then talking to them on TS was evil?

Like I said, I guess I just dont get it


Then get this: once you've got all your target's money and killed all his ships, leave him alone.


Where does it say this is the ToS/EULA?

Id like to read this myself, thanks

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#494 - 2014-03-28 19:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Malcanis wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
I dont get why scamming someone stupid enough to give you all their stuff is so bad -.-

You have to be stupid enough to give them all your stuff. Thats rule number one breaking right there. Move on lol


CCP have no problem whatsover with scamming. They were extremely clear on this when we discussed the matter with them.

Suicide ganking, piracy, awoxing, scamming. spying, propaganda, lying, 0.01ing and so on are all perfectly fine. I personally went to considerable trouble to make sure that my deep concerns on those activities were addressed, and CCP's answers were 100% on the money as far as I'm concerned.

This. Is. Not. About. The. Scam.

It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.

Malcanis, in many cases I'm right there with you. I've seen people take things to incredibly cruel levels before they are done.

But I have to be honest, asking someone to read text and sing the gummy bear song doesn't fall into that category in my book... and it apparently doesn't fall into that category in Sohkars book either.

Still, I can appreciate the position that CCP and the CSM was in... and respect the decisions made. It's just unfortunate that it makes it look like caving in to the mob mentality (which I personally don't believe it was).

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Tyrant Scorn
#495 - 2014-03-28 19:32:52 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?


In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.


Maybe you should read my post again CCP Guard. You addressed like 10% of my post and completely ignored the rest.

The Tyrant King

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Josef Djugashvilis
#496 - 2014-03-28 19:33:44 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I guess If I have a question for CCP.

Where exactly is the line?


In the sand.

This is not a signature.
Vilar Diin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#497 - 2014-03-28 19:33:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
As I predicted, the weaseling segment of the community wants a clearly defined line (to circumvent) and CCP is showing pure genius in not providing one and stating intent to judge each case individually.
(Thereby causing much grief to those who want to cause much grief)

That segment of the community cannot claim that CCP is not in touch with them. Heck they should be saying "ah well played, masters." and move on.
You won't be so happy with those unclear lines when you give an offhand remark and get banned because the person you said it to has a sad.


Oh stop, these histrionics are unbecoming hardcore gent such as yourself.

CCP made it clear in previous statements in this thread that that would never happen. The CSM did also. You are just being willfully ignorant.

Go forth and fleece some sheep they are waiting for you, and all of their furious bleating notwithstanding, CCP will look on in pride at you nefarious deeds.

However, please refrain from acts out of game that are outright creepy and disturbing, that mayo or mayonoto go good for you...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#498 - 2014-03-28 19:33:51 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
As I predicted, the weaseling segment of the community wants a clearly defined line (to circumvent) and CCP is showing pure genius in not providing one and stating intent to judge each case individually.
(Thereby causing much grief to those who want to cause much grief)

That segment of the community cannot claim that CCP is not in touch with them. Heck they should be saying "ah well played, masters." and move on.
You won't be so happy with those unclear lines when you give an offhand remark and get banned because the person you said it to has a sad.



I'm sure there will be legions of the weasels out there, smitten over this whole matter, looking for every little thing to report.

Just like the tanking of industrials and removal of insurance payouts have people resorting to bumping.

I was going to use the word "butthurt" but I know someone would use that and cry homophobia. You see, the environment you describe, I already worked in that environment, surrounded by charred (can't use the word "blackened" because someone will scream racism) little souls using the system as their personal weapon for every little thing. Lacking skills and any real intelligence, it's all they have. It's their form of miner bumping.

Maybe I just won't talk to anybody - oh wait, there's only like 7 or 8 people in the whole game that I talk to already. No problem.

(And when I'm in fleet, I never talk - I listen to the FC - problem still solved)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#499 - 2014-03-28 19:34:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.
Then talking to them on TS was evil?

Like I said, I guess I just dont get it
Then get this: once you've got all your target's money and killed all his ships, leave him alone.
So Malcanis, why in your professional opinion should someone running a scam be entirely responsible for stopping? Why in all of this, while the "victim" is fully capable of ending it at any moment does absolutely no responsibility fall to him?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Dave Stark
#500 - 2014-03-28 19:35:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
I guess If I have a question for CCP.

Where exactly is the line?


In the sand.

..box