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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#341 - 2014-03-28 17:46:50 UTC
The line is in the same place it has always been. Don't threaten to harm people in real life, no hate speech and no encouraging people to kill themselves. That pretty much covers it, I think.

Oh god.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#342 - 2014-03-28 17:50:57 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.

Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do.

Yes, tell us more about your passive aggressive plan to send more petitions and flood CCP with support queries to teach them a lesson. It's a great plan, one I am sure you and like minded individuals will follow through on, and one that CCP will roll over for, rather than blacklist the people flooding the petition system and silently ignore or autorespond to all of their reports.

So, good luck with that. I mean, teaching CCP a lesson. Sounds like a productive use of your time.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#343 - 2014-03-28 17:51:26 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
fudface wrote:
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game.



I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this.


from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in.

+1 CCP

looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with.


Accounts are always suspended when they're under investigation so gg Ripar Teg for using your position to prevent another player from being able to play eve. I think there's something in the EULA about that too.


His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#344 - 2014-03-28 17:53:16 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Also, some posts are getting deleted. Just a heads up.

I don't say this often enough, but CCP is doing a fantastic job in this thread and the last.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#345 - 2014-03-28 17:53:18 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair.
That's a really mature response to the situation.

Since you're in Spacemonkeys and thus a frequent target for getting ownzoned, you are going to be sending a lot of petitions.
I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words.

And it's a better response than "We banned that person because people complained, even though the "victim" quite clearly stated it was a non-issue, and yet out ruling on the matter will be murky at beast as we don't want to commit to an actual decision". Either people should have to HTFU like their little video says, or we should be able to play in compete peace and harmony.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#346 - 2014-03-28 17:55:44 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing

Who said anything about his position on the CSM? I was referring mainly to his blog and his influence over other players, though for a CSM member to be involved in such a spiteful personal campaign to try to get votes is just creepy.

Oh god.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#347 - 2014-03-28 17:56:13 UTC
tasman devil wrote:
Sohkar - who -although enraged beyond measure at that point- posted life threats on the voice chat

So what now?
To punish them both (Ero1 - life ban, Soh - 30 days ban) would be a hard but justifiable course of action.


"he was drunkangry so its okay"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
One Eyed Runner
GetYaTitsOut
#348 - 2014-03-28 17:56:16 UTC

#6086 Posted: 2014.03.27 19:18 | Report | ON THE THREADNAUGHT

hmmm ok I have been "Associated" with the government my whole career.
I see this as having CCP come out Monday/Tuesday next week and saying we are going to ban Sokhar & Erotica 1 and take all assets off of them.
Of course that will be after Sokhar quits and after Erotica 1 quits and gets rid of all his assets.
Then they(CCP) will say rules wont change, but we will look at it on a case by case ticket.


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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#349 - 2014-03-28 17:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.

Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do.

Yes, tell us more about your passive aggressive plan to send more petitions and flood CCP with support queries to teach them a lesson. It's a great plan, one I am sure you and like minded individuals will follow through on, and one that CCP will roll over for, rather than blacklist the people flooding the petition system and silently ignore or autorespond to all of their reports.

So, good luck with that. I mean, teaching CCP a lesson. Sounds like a productive use of your time.
I think you misunderstand. It's not to "teach them a lesson". It's because there are no lines drawn and arbitrarily chosen decisions. If that's the case, we might be allowing ourselves to be harassed according to the standards of the public, and we don't want to allow harassment to continue just because we have thicker skin. WE shouldn't be punished for learning to HTFU like CCP previously told us.

Now CCP have always said that if in doubt we should petition and get a clear answer. This thread ensures that we will almost always be in doubt as to whether a situation would be deemed by the public to be harassment. As such, we should follow CCPs explicit instructions to petition each situation we feel like someone may be getting upset and are in doubt.

Edit: I apologise in advance if my words above sounded quite hard edged and encourage you to decide if you feel harassed and petition the matter if you do.

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Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Salvos Rhoska
#350 - 2014-03-28 17:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words.

Go ahead. File a ticket. File 100. See what happens.

Nothing in the CCP statement in OP supports your conclusions and implications even one inch.

Or. HTFU, and continue playing, as usual.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#351 - 2014-03-28 17:58:09 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.

Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do.

Yes, tell us more about your passive aggressive plan to send more petitions and flood CCP with support queries to teach them a lesson. It's a great plan, one I am sure you and like minded individuals will follow through on, and one that CCP will roll over for, rather than blacklist the people flooding the petition system and silently ignore or autorespond to all of their reports.

So, good luck with that. I mean, teaching CCP a lesson. Sounds like a productive use of your time.


It wouldn't be about teaching CCP a lesson. It would be about cleaning up EVE and helping CCP do it.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#352 - 2014-03-28 17:59:29 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
fudface wrote:
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game.



I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this.


from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in.

+1 CCP

looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with.


Accounts are always suspended when they're under investigation so gg Ripar Teg for using your position to prevent another player from being able to play eve. I think there's something in the EULA about that too.


His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing


Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#353 - 2014-03-28 18:02:15 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
The line is in the same place it has always been. Don't threaten to harm people in real life, no hate speech and no encouraging people to kill themselves. That pretty much covers it, I think.


Oh, I'd say it goes a little bit further than that to be honest .....

CCP Falcon wrote:

..... The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world .....


(my highlighting) and ...

CCP Guard wrote:

... The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action ....


If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#354 - 2014-03-28 18:05:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair.
That's a really mature response to the situation.

Since you're in Spacemonkeys and thus a frequent target for getting ownzoned, you are going to be sending a lot of petitions.
I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words.

Then you should definitely do something about it. Like get in a better alliance, or make Spacemonkeys not terrible at everything.

Lucas Kell wrote:
And it's a better response than "We banned that person because people complained, even though the "victim" quite clearly stated it was a non-issue, and yet out ruling on the matter will be murky at beast as we don't want to commit to an actual decision". Either people should have to HTFU like their little video says, or we should be able to play in compete peace and harmony.

All I see is a trail of tears friend. A trail of sweet, delicious tears.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#355 - 2014-03-28 18:05:20 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:

If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.



Define: "Decency" in this context.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#356 - 2014-03-28 18:06:39 UTC
Also what's with everyone here believing that they're entitled to know how CCP deals with cases?

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#357 - 2014-03-28 18:06:52 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.

Why should I? Everything is the same as before.

Oh god.
Salvos Rhoska
#358 - 2014-03-28 18:07:25 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public.

And? Your point?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#359 - 2014-03-28 18:07:32 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
It wouldn't be about teaching CCP a lesson. It would be about cleaning up EVE and helping CCP do it.

How noble of you. I am sure CCP appreciates your offer to help and will be in touch very soon.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#360 - 2014-03-28 18:08:03 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:

If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.



Define: "Decency" in this context.


Whatever CCP says it is.