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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Salvos Rhoska
#261 - 2014-03-28 16:38:10 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
For those wanting an IN DEPTH look at the Bonus Room (I try to keep bias at a minimum, feel free to call me out) you can right here:

http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


Thanks for the disclosure.

Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2014-03-28 16:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more.


Many alts? I know he has a few accounts, and I personally know of 5 of his characters across three accounts (four characters which can be easily found with online research). Yet I have never seen Ero use alts to accomplish his goals. He admitted to using one to advertise his isk doubling, but the vast majority of the time he pulls other players as references.

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#263 - 2014-03-28 16:42:12 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
For those wanting an IN DEPTH look at the Bonus Room (I try to keep bias at a minimum, feel free to call me out) you can right here:

http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


Thanks for the disclosure.

Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought.


What exactly do you mean?

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#264 - 2014-03-28 16:43:56 UTC
Danalee wrote:
embrel wrote:
Danalee wrote:


People in your position should be a lot more carefull in calling other players real-life scumbags for things they clearly don't understand... I feel.

D.


Ah yeah the righteous indignation of Kristalll, who I think to remember, admitted to running a channel called Kristallnacht...


Don't speak in riddles man/woman!
What do you mean?
Do take care, I'm allmost feeling harassed.

D.

Bear

Edit: the united states holocaust museum would like to have a word with you by the way Blink


I mean post 6105 in the epic thread. Apologies should I have misinterpreted that or the reasons why one would choose such a name.
Xonus Calimar
CaeIum Incognitum
#265 - 2014-03-28 16:44:49 UTC
Kinda sad I didn't finish reading the threadnought before posts started vanishing. Looking forward to finishing what is there though.

Glad to know that there are edges to the sandbox. Also glad that it takes a really long time to reach them. Everyone needs space to work their own content into the game, but there is a limit.
Bumsicle Wedgie
Doomheim
#266 - 2014-03-28 16:45:52 UTC
Hey look, I'm making a serious comment!

Whilst the recording and the distress it displays is upsetting to a degree, at the same time I don't want to live in a virtual nanny state. I get enough of that IRL thanks, and I play this game to escape that.

I don't want anyone to have an IRL sad, short of punching the desk following my having dissected their hauler. I don't want anyone to turn off the PC at the end of the night and go to bed thinking about how stupid they've been either, short of learning from their mistakes and laughing at their ineptitude.

If EVE, or any other game, makes you angry, depressed or rageful, then it's time to stop and get help. You have issues. Simple as that. Switch it off and address the cause.

Eve is real? I'm afraid not, and if you think it is, you're putting far, far too much into it... and I'm betting there are areas of your life you should seriously look at closely, because I'm almost certain you're neglecting something, or someone.

I love you all, but I love your isk more x
Salvos Rhoska
#267 - 2014-03-28 16:47:09 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
For those wanting an IN DEPTH look at the Bonus Room (I try to keep bias at a minimum, feel free to call me out) you can right here:

http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


Thanks for the disclosure.

Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought.


What exactly do you mean?


I mean the entire scam is full pants-on-head ********.

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#268 - 2014-03-28 16:47:46 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?


In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#269 - 2014-03-28 16:48:18 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?
HTFU.
I don't see you telling Sokhar to "HTFU"? Why the hypocrisy, friend lucas?
Well Sokhar should, and as far as I can see, has. And the point is not that Tyrant specifically should HTFU, it's more of a point that CCPs very own response to peoples upsets used to be HTFU.

Different people have different levels of tolerance, which lead them to cry at various levels. If you could convince me to cover myself in mayo, and do a video of me singing Britney Spears songs in a high pitched voice while you threw every insult in the sun at me, I'd still not come back crying about how I was a victim. Conversely, some people fly off the handle when you blow up a cruiser describing at length how you've ruined their life and should be burned at the stake for crimes so horrid. If CCP are to respond it needs to be with clearly defined boundaries. They can't tell some people to HTFU while protecting others with arbitrarily drawn distinctions.

Personally I think they should stand by their previous convictions and tell people to HTFU. If people can't figure out it's a game and want to put themselves into these positions, then that's their problem. Nobody I've seen has been threatened or forced into coopearting, they've all done it through choice, so they are not victims, they are morons, plain and simple. At any point they could have walked away but their own greed blinded their judgement. In this particular situation, the user chose to stay connected to a comms where people were insulting him and could easily have hit that little button marked "disconnect". So yes, I stand by my HTFU.

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#270 - 2014-03-28 16:48:19 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
For those wanting an IN DEPTH look at the Bonus Room (I try to keep bias at a minimum, feel free to call me out) you can right here:

http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


Thanks for the disclosure.

Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought.


What exactly do you mean?


I mean the entire scam is full pants-on-head ********.


I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#271 - 2014-03-28 16:48:46 UTC
I would like to think there is a chance, that all this witch hunting melodrama will stop now.

I highly doubt it, looking at some of the posts from out great and wonderful Moralists.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#272 - 2014-03-28 16:52:30 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more.


Many alts? I know he has a few accounts, and I personally know of 5 of his characters across three accounts (four characters which can be easily found with online research). Yet I have never seen Ero use alts to accomplish his goals. He admitted to using one to advertise his isk doubling, but the vast majority of the time he pulls other players as references.
Apparently we aren't allowed our own opinions so if we don't wants Erotica to be permabanned and die in a pit, then we must obviously be alts.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#273 - 2014-03-28 16:53:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more.


Many alts? I know he has a few accounts, and I personally know of 5 of his characters across three accounts (four characters which can be easily found with online research). Yet I have never seen Ero use alts to accomplish his goals. He admitted to using one to advertise his isk doubling, but the vast majority of the time he pulls other players as references.
Apparently we aren't allowed our own opinions so if we don't wants Erotica to be permabanned and die in a pit, then we must obviously be alts.
Confirming both Lucas and I, are alts of Ero. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#274 - 2014-03-28 16:53:54 UTC
So, anonymous conversations on Teamspeak are now considered 'real life?'

Is CCP now in the business of insuring that EVE players do not 'have an unpleasant experience' outside of EVE?

'Outside of EVE' does not equal 'real life'. Many seem confused by this.

Because 'an anonymous unpleasant experience' is all it was for the bonus room participant.
At no point are the participant's true identities or whereabouts made public.

Yet CCP jumps to the "victim's" rescue anyway. Because having an unpleasant experience in Eve (or TS) might cause a few people to quit the game....

Welcome to the kindler, gentler, more sustainable and peanut-allergen-free EVE.
Now, with 100% less 'cyberbullying'.

"Cyberbullying" - what idiocy. Would have hoped the people running EVE would be smart enough not to buy into rank nonsense pushed in trendy journals by aggrieved social scientists.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#275 - 2014-03-28 16:57:16 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:

In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.

Read it again.

I disagree
Salvos Rhoska
#276 - 2014-03-28 16:57:38 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people.

I absolutely acknowledge that it is genius that Erotica1 has managed to convince people to not only voluntarily surrender all their assets, but full API. That is an amazing achievement, and I applaud it.

But the Bonus Room? Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#277 - 2014-03-28 16:57:54 UTC
Kinda mad I'm not enjoying my ban like everyone told me I would...

Oh god.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#278 - 2014-03-28 16:59:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.
You must have much knowledge in this regard.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#279 - 2014-03-28 16:59:53 UTC
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
So, anonymous conversations on Teamspeak are now considered 'real life?'

Is CCP now in the business of insuring that EVE players do not 'have an unpleasant experience' outside of EVE?

'Outside of EVE' does not equal 'real life'. Many seem confused by this.

Because 'an anonymous unpleasant experience' is all it was for the bonus room participant.
At no point are the participant's true identities or whereabouts made public.

Yet CCP jumps to the "victim's" rescue anyway. Because having an unpleasant experience in Eve (or TS) might cause a few people to quit the game....

Welcome to the kindler, gentler, more sustainable and peanut-allergen-free EVE.
Now, with 100% less 'cyberbullying'.

"Cyberbullying" - what idiocy. Would have hoped the people running EVE would be smart enough not to buy into rank nonsense pushed in trendy journals by aggrieved social scientists.


Technically CCP hasn't gone to the "victims" defense as that would assume the Bonus Room is harassment.

BTW: Full Disclosure article: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#280 - 2014-03-28 17:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: olan2005
Lucas Kell wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?
HTFU.
I don't see you telling Sokhar to "HTFU"? Why the hypocrisy, friend lucas?
Well Sokhar should, and as far as I can see, has. And the point is not that Tyrant specifically should HTFU, it's more of a point that CCPs very own response to peoples upsets used to be HTFU.

Different people have different levels of tolerance, which lead them to cry at various levels. If you could convince me to cover myself in mayo, and do a video of me singing Britney Spears songs in a high pitched voice while you threw every insult in the sun at me, I'd still not come back crying about how I was a victim. Conversely, some people fly off the handle when you blow up a cruiser describing at length how you've ruined their life and should be burned at the stake for crimes so horrid. If CCP are to respond it needs to be with clearly defined boundaries. They can't tell some people to HTFU while protecting others with arbitrarily drawn distinctions.

Personally I think they should stand by their previous convictions and tell people to HTFU. If people can't figure out it's a game and want to put themselves into these positions, then that's their problem. Nobody I've seen has been threatened or forced into coopearting, they've all done it through choice, so they are not victims, they are morons, plain and simple. At any point they could have walked away but their own greed blinded their judgement. In this particular situation, the user chose to stay connected to a comms where people were insulting him and could easily have hit that little button marked "disconnect". So yes, I stand by my HTFU.


This the last time I'll say this. Whatever medium people use there responsible for what they broadcast. What your saying equates to anyone has the right to outside or on Facebook insult people for hours on end or hound every post they make without repercussion ad the victims can walk away or block them. I dare you to try that