EVE General Discussion

My use of the term "torture" was informed by the provided Amnesty International definition.
I did not at any point cry out for "any form of retribution".
Pointing out that I think what was happening constituted abuse at the least, does not equal that.
If you wish to argue the contents of the post in which I elaborated on that, we can do so.
I feel and think that it was consistent, coherent and fit the definition.

I made an addition to the post you quoted, for the purpose of elaborating on the subjective nature of morality.
The original text is unchanged, but there is an added paragraph below it.

Quite understandable.

What is interesting is that this means that E1 might or might not be banned, depending on if the involved party consider it harassment (and apparently he doesn't.. although CCP could consider it to be so regardless of what sohkar thinks I suppose).

It also means the author of the blog that started this whole mess going could also be banned for harassment, considering that no one's permission was asked and even the "victim" suffered because if it.

this is exactly why i dont feel like being associated with this game and sad losers like yourself

I don't think this has to be discussed much more now that CCP has clarified their position on the issue which should be all of our viewpoint on this issue.

In short feel free to advertise ISK scams, organise and do small or large scale suicide ganks, be devious and try to destroy or AWOX corporations from the inside out, ransom, extort, and bump other peoples ships to the far end of asteroid belts etc.

But DON'T use in-game or out of game based voice software to harass and humiliate other players after you have achieved one of the above types of devious gameplay that we know and love (or hate.) . Be thankful and happy that your scam or whatever was successful and you are richer or have achieved your objective.

If they send you 'QQ' by EVE mail or type 'QQ' in chat channels then feel free to quote it accurately in your bio if that is your thing. But don't take it any further than that.

So wait (my new catch phrase there).

You complain about scamming in EVE, something that EVE has been known for since 2003, yet some how the guy who gets how the game is is somehow the sad loser.

I think you got it backwards bro...

Close the door on the way out

Hey CCP, this guy is having a melt down, Is it alright if we laugh at this one or is that against the EULA?

Ah yeah the righteous indignation of Kristalll, who I think to remember, admitted to running a channel called Kristallnacht...

My reading and understanding of events and the statement, would indicate that what Erotica1 was doing has constituted some incident which atleast give cause to question that they might be "extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world." Else this statement would not have been necessary in the first place.

But retro-active action has many problems associated with it.
I wont and cant speculate on what action CCP has taken aside from the statement, nor frankly, do I really even want to know. Its none of my business. Its between CCP and whatever parties are involved (or not).

Now the statement has been made, any future actions by players that constitute ""extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world." has been reinforced as something that CCP will act upon.

Whether some aspects or incidents of the Bonus Room constitute that, remains unclear.
But I, for one, wouldn't attempt to test the seriousness of this statement by doing anything that even remotely could be construed to fulfill what it delineates against.

It is important, for the game, and for everyone (even those who dont recognise it) that CCP keeps things as lax as possible. This allows play room both for us, and them, on what we can and cannot do, and for them, on what they will and will not allow. This statement allows them to keep the status quo, but reserve the clearly stated right to intervene if they deem necessary, if things get out of whack, and ONLY if they do. Rest of the time, its business as usual for all of us.

I dont think at all this means you cant ransom someone to sing for their ship. But if you make him sing 20songs and drive him and his wife to the point of destroying furniture IRL, that is to me, problematic and taking things too far on the part of the antagonists.

Don't speak in riddles man/woman!
What do you mean?
Do take care, I'm allmost feeling harassed.

D.



Edit: the united states holocaust museum would like to have a word with you by the way