EVE General Discussion

The most recent is Here. You may be able to find that in other places too as it's their stock response, though they have rules against releasing their responses.

In game you weren't allowed to harass and threaten, since obviously CCP have a legal obligation to stop that. Outside of that though they don't, and I don't know many MMOs that would step in an dictate your behaviour on third party comms. I mean apart from anything else, verification is an issue. You could argue that this case is different as Erotica 1 had nothing to hide, but then do they really want to set a precedent of "if you want to harass someone, do it in secret".

Then on top of that, take a transcript of the voice comms, type it out in game with someone, then report the conversation as harassment. If they whole conversation happened in a chat channel the only person that would have been banned is Sohkar, since Erotica 1 and co said absolutely nothing that would constitute harassment in game. The only reason it's classed as harassment here is because people can hear someone getting worked up. Do you REALLY think that's the first time someone's got worked up about EVE? I've seen people being bumped for several hours in a freighter, getting absolutely irate in local chat, then eventually being let go as they can;t complete the gank. How is that not harassment? The player is clearly irate and yet they continue to bump right? So how is it different? It's different because you can;t hear it and don't have a CSM banging on about torture.

I don;t really care if you agree or not. That's doesn't automatically make you right. It's clear CCP made a ruling that third party comms don;t get moderated. It's clear that didn't happen in this case. Whether you choose to close your eyes and ignore that because you hate Erotica 1 is your business.

HA! The arrogance of it. Yes, only a COUPLE of people disagree, which is why the discussion is so polarised. Oh yeah, I forgot, anyone who doesn't follow Ripard Teg along like a sheep is an alt of Erotica 1 right? Get your head out of your ass. The vocal minority getting irate because they have been scammed before and are excited that the person that took their stuff is getting banned doesn't mean that the whole community is with CCP on it.

Of course it requires thought. If anything this is THE case that requires the most thought, since this one sets the precedent for future rulings. Unfortunately CCP don't get the luxury of thought since a CSM member decided that rather than following set procedures he'd start up a hate campaign and get every carebear that's ever been scammed bumped or ganked to shriek at the top of their lungs.

Am not going to quote your posts. No need.

It's clear who has lost control here.

The 3rd party comms bit has been covered.

I should add at this point that I have never been scammed. I don't hate E1. I'm not a fan of Ripard and I don't feel irate.

I got upvoted by E1 in the original thread as I wasn't convinced that he should be banned.

Now - perhaps you could stop telling me to remove my head from my ass and be civil.

Nothing has changed, Lucas. The only thing that has happened is that CCP has stepped in against something they find objectionable.

Bumping an orca might be a pain for the pilot but until you have killed it you haven't gained anything. If you popped it and then spent three hours bumping the pod then I think you would have something to answer to, no?

Lol. It's cute the way you tried to re-direct that.

You and I both know there is a difference between trying to obtain assets within the game (whether you succeed or not) and taking assets from someone and then pressuring them to distress in order to maintain your reputation.

You argue concisely enough that I am guessing you see the difference. Your argument is that CCP should amend the terms in such a way that every conceivable occurrence be covered.

That's impossible and you know it is. Your argument is based on saving face rather than objective reality.

I do understand your position, however untenable it is. What you are asking is literally impossible. Asking a company to legislate for every eventuality is ridiculous and you fully know it.

Ed - Splitting infinitives like a baws

Grow up guy.

Yeah, because someone scramming a pod for hours gains so much right?
And surely that just means you can harass someone as long as you claim to be trying to gain from it, whether you intend to or not. What you seem to not understand is that not everything is black and white. CCP will be making a judgement call. Previously comms were off limits. Now they aren't. You can't dispute that since that what's actually happened right here. I mean you can dispute that, and I'm sure you will, but pretty much everyone in the game whether they are in the "I heart butterflies" crowd or not can see that.

I don't argue that at all. I think that CCP should either state that third part comms are covered by the EULA, and which mediums that covers (so twitter, blogs, etc) or state that is is not covered like they have. That's not asking for every situation. You just want to misrepresent what I am arguing. Clearly there is no understanding of where the line falls, which is why there so many different opinions on where it is falling. But since their official statement is that when someone seems to be emotionally losing it in a situation you must stop else it is harassment, that covers a whole range of behaviour that historically has been fine.

And when you now see that most people are avoiding singing ransoms, and even eve-radio are going to avoid using 3rd party comms tasks like singing for competitions and reading on air, clearly the impact is wider spread than you seem to think it is. I get it though, you think what Eroitca 1 did was bad, CCP banned him therefore you think what CCP did was good. It's not that simple to most of us mate. All I see here is a single person being strung up as an example, a CSM member wilfully going off procedure and starting a hate campaign, a clear racist being given a pass, several other members of the bonus room who had just as much involvement also getting a free pass, and CCP walking through a EULA jurisdiction bar that they themselves have stated. And all for what? All so the freedom in the game I love to play can be stripped back so people that are emotionally unstable and can't separate fantasy from reality can act like it's hello kitty online?

You can literally say whatever you like. Nothing you say will change my opinion. I've listened to pretty much every podcast, read every blog and have certainly heard every conceivable side of the story and my opinion is set. And funnily enough, even the victim in this situation is against the ruling. CCP have changed the limitation of their EULA and now we all have to watch our asses whenever we are talking to someone that might have a sad.

"I'm happy for everyone to express their own views, and don't mind seeing the occasional profanity, but I will enforce a level of decorum."

http://indecisivenoob.blogspot.co.uk/p/about.html

Before I post on your blog can I know what this "level of decorum" is?

Sure, like CCP I'll state that you should use your judgement and aim not to harass or attack anyone else within your post. Here's where I'll go away from where CCP have now turned. My jurisdiction ends with the blog. Anything that happens outside the blog, whether it involves to blog or not will not be moderated by me and no action will be taken on the blog regarding your actions outside of it.

Good job.

Thankyou, then I will use my judgement and not post on your blog.

I suggest you update you blog with your final sentence to make it clearer because I could link to something that does cause you to exercise jurisdiction outside your blog and I wouldn't want you to be completely without protection.

In which case you'll also excuse CCP for doing the same...

Whilst I do hear you - and you are right, we have found our point of mutual disagreement - the fact that it was made available and impacts on their IP gives them the right to make a decision.

You don't like it. I personally find it....ok.

It seems that most people find that it is ok as well. I behave "roughly" the same in Eve as I do IRL - I don't expect everyone to. I do expect them to be grown up and adult enough to see where that line is. If CCP have to bash in occasionally then fine.

I would prefer a safe, dark, tense, awkward space without that level of unpleasantness.

If they start meddling too much I will be with you but in this instance I think they got it right.

But this isn;t about what you think is good and bad behaviour or what I think is good an bad behaviour. How are you still nto getting that that is beside the point. The only point is that CCP have acted on something they have previously explicitly stated they will not act on yet haven;t stated where the new line is drawn.

I get the impression that you seem to think I'm petitioning to unban Erotica 1. I couldn't give a flying **** what happens with regard to that situation, but whatever way it falls, I feel we deserve to know where the line is drawn. Are 3rd party forums covered? What about twitter, facebook, blogs? Or is it just voice comms and singing that's banned?