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My choices as an AFK Cloaker and your opinions.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#21 - 2014-03-27 19:53:12 UTC
oh its gameplay. Its really really boring psychological warfare where the person who doesn't play for the longest wins. Or the person with a hisec alt wins. Or maybe just loses less. Except the camper never loses because the opportunity cost is often very very very small.

Its also very effective vs renters, which have to either not get use out of their system while still paying rent, or have to go ninja rat where they're not supposed to, which will still always be less attractive/worthwhile than using their own system.

Its really funny though to watch someone suck at cloaky camping. I didn't believe it was even possible until I saw TEST camp very very poorly.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#22 - 2014-03-27 19:58:22 UTC
The only thing that would **** me off about it, is logging in to this nearly everyday "Hey reap, tis guy is camping our system cloaked, I can't make money' me: so move next door? them: but its not upgraded to 5.. me: so move next door and upgrade it? ore is ore... them: but I can make more money with upgrades at 5... me: then kill the cloaker? them: hes cloaked I can't find him me: then either move systems or risk it, not like I can do much if you already looked....

smh

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-03-27 19:59:17 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
Personally, I think cloaks should be changed to drain capacitor based upon the sig radius of the ship. They should be balanced in such a way that your cloak will eventually cap you out unless you are in something small, specialized (covops for example) or gimp your setup. Basically, there should be some kind of balance.


Thank you for your input. Im actually not after balancing of cloaks, only what the actions of an AFK cloaker are viewed as.


Myself and 6 others have shut down a 600 man alliance for 2 months now by afk cloaking. it is hilarious. Coming back to my computer and seeing zero rats dead in my system and half a dozen ravens/domis POS'd up makes me very happy.
We recently took a tech moon in their form up system and also their TCU moon. We did this with 40 people. They have the whole of geminate as their coalition but their morale is so low they can't even form up enough to fight us.
We roam freely through their space and run their combat sigs.
We like that these nice Russians pay for the upkeep for us Twisted

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#24 - 2014-03-27 20:01:30 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
Personally, I think cloaks should be changed to drain capacitor based upon the sig radius of the ship. They should be balanced in such a way that your cloak will eventually cap you out unless you are in something small, specialized (covops for example) or gimp your setup. Basically, there should be some kind of balance.


Thank you for your input. Im actually not after balancing of cloaks, only what the actions of an AFK cloaker are viewed as.


Myself and 6 others have shut down a 600 man alliance for 2 months now by afk cloaking. it is hilarious. Coming back to my computer and seeing zero rats dead in my system and half a dozen ravens/domis POS'd up makes me very happy.
We recently took a tech moon in their form up system and also their TCU moon. We did this with 40 people. They have the whole of geminate as their coalition but their morale is so low they can't even form up enough to fight us.
We roam freely through their space and run their combat sigs.
We like that these nice Russians pay for the upkeep for us Twisted


lol

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-03-27 20:05:18 UTC
The horror of the cloaked player. How will people ever get over the psychological damage inflicted on them.

Perhaps group play instead of thinking EvE online is solo play?
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#26 - 2014-03-27 20:07:41 UTC
Quote:
-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?


IMHO Yes, AFK cloaking is allowed

Quote:
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?


No more then the Bonus Room

Quote:
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?


No, there own irrational fear and stupidity is.

Quote:
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?


No, you can't be held accountable for others actions or lack thereof.

Quote:
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?


Yes, but, stick and stones..........

If a single AFK cloaker can prevent and alliance of 200+ members from doing anything. Then the alliance is doing something wrong.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-03-27 20:10:31 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


I take a fresh toon, with nothing trained at all, and an unfit noobship, and warp to a planet. I get slightly off grid of that planet, and sit..uncloaked. Of all the toons Ive used to do this (lots of trial accounts) none have died, none have been probed..nothing. This proves that the more vocal opponents to AFK cloaking don't actually try to find them like they claim.


cool story Lol

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Qen Tye
In Between
#28 - 2014-03-27 20:11:22 UTC
Mighty be a stupid question, but how do you change system if the gate is camped?

On topic; freaking annoying

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-03-27 20:13:23 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
not sure if being AFK counts as 'gameplay'


THis is interesting. Ive received several rather nasty eve-mails from freighter pilots who were AFK Autopilloting who claim the exact opposite! In fact, in their words I was "ruining their gameplay experience"!

Thank you for this, this might deserve a whole other thread!

AFKing freighter moves cargo.

AFKing n00bship sitting in space does nothing. Yes, it scares some people and prevents carebearing. However let's say for a minute everyone left that system. So what now? Your alt is logged on, uses server resources, power, etc... and? What does it do?

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-03-27 20:19:02 UTC
The Only thing I love more than AFK cloaking is Cloak trolling. See, I only play for two to three hours every couple of days. What I like to do is to take a cloaky ship, like a Force Recon and find a good Null or FW. Then I cloak up and begin talking in local. I'll sit on POS's, in sites, on stations and comment on everyone's ships/ POS config.

Every once in a while, I will stop talking for a while and return with a "sorry, I got side tracked in a pirate chat." You wouldn't believe the bad names I get called.TwistedPirate

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#31 - 2014-03-27 20:19:32 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
AFKing n00bship sitting in space does nothing. Yes, it scares some people and prevents carebearing. However let's say for a minute everyone left that system. So what now? Your alt is logged on, uses server resources, power, etc... and? What does it do?


It discourages them from logging back on, since you can tell if a system is camped without being in it.

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#32 - 2014-03-27 20:31:39 UTC
Why do nullsec players feel like they deserve to be safer than those in highsec? How are these players any different than me if I sit docked up while a war dec is on? Yet it is more legitimate of a playstyle than afk cloaking?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#33 - 2014-03-27 20:34:20 UTC
Qen Tye wrote:
Mighty be a stupid question, but how do you change system if the gate is camped?

On topic; freaking annoying


The cloaker doesn't change system. Part of the AFK cloakers job is to drive people either out of system, or make them stop playing completely. This activity mostly effects bots, who like to run when someone comes into local.

Now, when I am sure they are bots, I wait until the botter has added me to his "ignore list" and I see activity in system again. I will then swap to a more experienced toon..with a recon/bomber and covy cyno or standard cyno..and repeat. When the botter adds Mr Hunter to his ignore list, we tend to slaughter everyone in their little botting mining op rather quickly...or I catch that juicy juicy carrier ratting..... sploosh. I will sometimes just use a noobship with a cyno and warp to 0 on the belt or anom they are mining as well....

Another job of the AFK cloaker is to drive the residents INTO the gate camps. This is of course, an activity that doesn't last all day. This usually lasts for about 2 hours. After that, there really isn't any way to hold peoples attention.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
#34 - 2014-03-27 20:34:39 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Guys, I see we are getting slightly off topic.

Lets keep cloaking balance issues and local removal for the F&I threads please. Im after opinions on my style of gameplay.


Thank you.


Your actions do not affect in me in the slightest. Carry on good soldier.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#35 - 2014-03-27 20:36:53 UTC
March rabbit wrote:


AFKing n00bship sitting in space does nothing. Yes, it scares some people and prevents carebearing. However let's say for a minute everyone left that system. So what now? Your alt is logged on, uses server resources, power, etc... and? What does it do?



But you see..alot of the times, when everyone leaves system..its to get the AFK cloaker to go away! If hes still there when they log back on..they log back off. Either way, the AFK cloaker doesn't care. Hes doing what hes designed to do, make people afraid of the boogeyman.

Also, bots like to log off, and log back in every 15 minutes to check the systems they were in. If im still there, they log back off. I win again.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#36 - 2014-03-27 20:37:56 UTC
Dyscordia wrote:
Your actions do not affect in me in the slightest. Carry on good soldier.


Thank you. I will. Do you have any opinions on the morality of my actions or how they might affect other players?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2014-03-27 20:39:17 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
You wouldn't believe the bad names I get called.TwistedPirate


Yes I would. Some are rather inventive. Other are like a few random words picked out of a dictionary and thrown into local.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mario Putzo
#38 - 2014-03-27 20:39:27 UTC
As a fellow AFK cloaker I feel dirty inside everytime someone sneaks out and rats while I am at work.
Rikanin
Mining Reloaded
#39 - 2014-03-27 20:40:08 UTC
Hmm...

Allegory relating to current threadnaught?

Would that be considered a duplicate post or trolling?
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-03-27 20:44:02 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Dyscordia wrote:
Your actions do not affect in me in the slightest. Carry on good soldier.


Thank you. I will. Do you have any opinions on the morality of my actions or how they might affect other players?



Find a big Carebear system and keep a channel open to your local pirate gang. "AFK" for a while - 30min or so of Netflix will do. If the locals get comfortable, Covert cyno in some BLOPs and watch the hilarity ensueTwisted

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]