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Navy Destroyers?
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Hal Safon
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#1 - 2014-03-27 18:50:21 UTC
Anyone else think these would be a lot of fun?

We have navy frigates, navy cruisers, navy BCs, and navy BS. Why not navy destroyers?

I am a huge fan of the destroyer class and would love to see navy iterations of my favorite ships. Republic fleet thrasher, cormorant navy issue, etc.

With a price point around 20-30 million they would be similar to AF's but trade resists/mobility/sig for raw damage/tank.

Here's to hoping CCP has plans for introducing navy destroyers soon!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-03-27 19:27:51 UTC
I can't say I share your excitement for the idea.

Oh god.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#3 - 2014-03-27 20:07:17 UTC
I only see them causing a balance issue, and overlapping with Assault Frigates and current destroyers. Tech 2 destroyers than can fit a single, or maybe 2, warfare links would be incredible and really shift the game around some.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#4 - 2014-03-27 20:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
No. Hell no. **** no.

Edit - Navy Carriers would be a better suggestion.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-03-28 01:34:50 UTC
Only Amarr. I couldn't stomach the other racial destroyers flying around with all that awful space camouflage.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-28 18:25:14 UTC
Personally I believe ccp should create T3 destroyers. They would be awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Nalia White
Tencus
#7 - 2014-03-29 11:07:31 UTC
since i started pvping i wish for that... but i guess syndicate wouldn't like that at all :D

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Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#8 - 2014-03-30 15:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Orion
Hal Safon wrote:


We have navy frigates, navy cruisers, navy BCs, and navy BS. Why not navy destroyers?


He's got a point. Why are destroyers the only class of ship that doesn't have a Navy version?

As for T2 Destroyers, I very, very rarely seen them used in Lowsec, and here's why:
"Interdictors are destroyer-sized vessels built to fill a single important tactical niche: the breaching of enemy warp tunnels."

I think there's plenty of room for Navy Destroyers. Especially if they give them a unique shape, not just a paintjob. Here's what I'd like to see:

Federation Navy Catalyst:
7x Light Ion Blaster II's (-1 turret)

Web/scram/prop (+1mid)

DC-II, EANM, Mag-stab (same lows)

(same 3 rig slots like usual).

Maybe add 3x Light Drone capacity like it's Comet sibling, and split the base speed difference between the Catalyst and the Eris.

Edit: make it 6x turrets to be fair, but make the bonuses +5% dmg and keep the +10% tracking per level.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#9 - 2014-03-30 16:13:08 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Hal Safon wrote:


We have navy frigates, navy cruisers, navy BCs, and navy BS. Why not navy destroyers?


He's got a point. Why are destroyers the only class of ship that doesn't have a Navy version?

As for T2 Destroyers, I very, very rarely seen them used in Lowsec, and here's why:
"Interdictors are destroyer-sized vessels built to fill a single important tactical niche: the breaching of enemy warp tunnels."

I think there's plenty of room for Navy Destroyers. Especially if they give them a unique shape, not just a paintjob. Here's what I'd like to see:

Federation Navy Catalyst:
7x Light Ion Blaster II's (-1 turret)

Web/scram/prop (+1mid)

DC-II, EANM, Mag-stab (same lows)

(same 3 rig slots like usual).

Maybe add 3x Light Drone capacity like it's Comet sibling, and split the base speed difference between the Catalyst and the Eris.


Maybe try the algos? It does essentially the same thing and can even pack a neut.

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Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#10 - 2014-03-30 16:29:58 UTC
Mizhir wrote:

Maybe try the algos? It does essentially the same thing and can even pack a neut.


Except that the Algos is much slower, only has 5 turrets, and is bonused for the use of drones over turrets. Very familiar with it.

The reason I'd build it that way is because the Comet is a combination of the best of the three T1 combat frigates of the same race: nearly as fast as the Atron, tankier than the Incursus but without the rep bonus and drones like the Tristan but only 3 of em.

Figured a Navy Destroyer should follow suit and mix the best of its two T1 siblings.

Maybe call it the Meteor?
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#11 - 2014-03-30 16:47:54 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Mizhir wrote:

Maybe try the algos? It does essentially the same thing and can even pack a neut.


Except that the Algos is much slower, only has 5 turrets, and is bonused for the use of drones over turrets. Very familiar with it.

The reason I'd build it that way is because the Comet is a combination of the best of the three T1 combat frigates of the same race: nearly as fast as the Atron, tankier than the Incursus but without the rep bonus and drones like the Tristan but only 3 of em.

Figured a Navy Destroyer should follow suit and mix the best of its two T1 siblings.

Maybe call it the Meteor?


The problem is, as Liam already pointed out, that it will be hard to make some navy destroyers that don't overlap with the assault frigs.

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Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#12 - 2014-03-30 17:45:34 UTC
Mizhir wrote:

The problem is, as Liam already pointed out, that it will be hard to make some navy destroyers that don't overlap with the assaulr frigs.


Well, Destroyers are specifically designed to outclass Frigates, so I don't see the problem with this. Brawling dessys would still be vulnerable to kiting AF's like an arty Wolf or a light-missile Hawk, and kiting dessys will still be vulnerable to brawling AF's like the blaster Enyo.

Additionally, spreading demand a little could bring the cost of assault frigates down some, making a faction dessy more expensive than an AF. Meaning it would be reasonable that a navy-destroyer could outclass an assault-frigate.

I say make it happen.... Cool
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#13 - 2014-03-30 18:32:46 UTC
This game is about choices after all, who cares if navy dessies step on some toes? The market will balance the prices out accordingly.

But, I would be happy with pirate BC ships and tech 3 weapons before navy dessies.

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Primus Aulmais
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-04-10 16:08:16 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Fenris Orion wrote:
Hal Safon wrote:


We have navy frigates, navy cruisers, navy BCs, and navy BS. Why not navy destroyers?


He's got a point. Why are destroyers the only class of ship that doesn't have a Navy version?

As for T2 Destroyers, I very, very rarely seen them used in Lowsec, and here's why:
"Interdictors are destroyer-sized vessels built to fill a single important tactical niche: the breaching of enemy warp tunnels."

I think there's plenty of room for Navy Destroyers. Especially if they give them a unique shape, not just a paintjob. Here's what I'd like to see:

Federation Navy Catalyst:
7x Light Ion Blaster II's (-1 turret)

Web/scram/prop (+1mid)

DC-II, EANM, Mag-stab (same lows)

(same 3 rig slots like usual).

Maybe add 3x Light Drone capacity like it's Comet sibling, and split the base speed difference between the Catalyst and the Eris.


Maybe try the algos? It does essentially the same thing and can even pack a neut.

I'd also prefer to see a Navy Algos rather than a navy Catalyst, though part of that is because I greatly prefer the aesthetics of the Algos. Blink
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2014-04-10 16:46:38 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Hal Safon wrote:


We have navy frigates, navy cruisers, navy BCs, and navy BS. Why not navy destroyers?


He's got a point. Why are destroyers the only class of ship that doesn't have a Navy version?

Probably because Navy BCs are not all that popular?

Navy Destroyers will probably have similar issues that the Navy Battlecruiser have in that they...

- have terrible price-performance issues compared to Tech 1 (and Tech 2) variants.
OR
- don't really have anything that makes them stand out from their Tech 1 (and Tech 2) variants.

How did you Veterans start?
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-10 18:23:47 UTC
IMO navy BC need a be cheaper.... Never even seen them used.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#17 - 2014-04-10 19:24:20 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
IMO navy BC need a be cheaper.... Never even seen them used.


Other than the navy brutix if you're buffer tanking and the desire to grab a pre nerf cane - there really isn't a great reason to want one. They don't really have the differentiation that makes navy battleships popular, and they are only so popular because of their PVE applications.
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#18 - 2014-04-11 01:56:22 UTC
Primus Aulmais wrote:


I'd also prefer to see a Navy Algos rather than a navy Catalyst, though part of that is because I greatly prefer the aesthetics of the Algos. Blink[/quote]

Well, if they followed suit with the fraction frigates, they'd combine the two entirely. I'm thinking something like an overgrown, cracked out Nemesis would bridge the catalyst/algos nicely. And it'd be very interesting to see what they'd do with mixing the thrasher/talwar, corax/cormorant, and coercer/dragoon.

And it begs repeating that the T2 destroyers are notably absent outside of nullsec for a reason. Talk about reverse cost efficiency, trying to use an interdictor for heads up PvP is price prohibitive as hell. You'd have to kill 10 frigs or 5 T1 dessys just to break even. There is actually quite a gap to fill there.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#19 - 2014-04-11 02:58:59 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
IMO navy BC need a be cheaper.... Never even seen them used.


Since they changed FW plex's to pretty much frig/dessy/cruisers BC's have very quickly become hanger ornaments.

If they allowed BC back into some plex's or changed the spawn rates of the plex's that do allow them then they might become more popular but don't hold you breath.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#20 - 2014-04-11 03:01:17 UTC
I asked for this years ago before the destroyers got buffed and made ganks far more common.

Destroyers use to be much weaker and I was hoping to see navy versions roughly as strong as the standard ones are today.

They are already over powered. The dream is dead.
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