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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#21 - 2014-03-27 13:09:13 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Lot of crying here about stabbed ships.

Infinite point them (its a thing).
Alpha them.




You can use a warp core stabiliser within a week of starting EVE. You cannot use an infinite point untill what, 3-4 months at least?


Well you are the 2008 character complaining that you cant catch, what was it.....
Quote:
"afk plex runners with more isk than they can spend on a 2 week old toon..."


I wouldn't think 3-4 months skill training is really a problem for you.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#22 - 2014-03-27 13:15:59 UTC
If this is about WCS on frigate bots in low sex - keres will solve the problem. Are we really discussing a major game change just to kill atrons? I've mentioned this in other threads - becareful about what you ask for - sometimes you get it.

As far as how long it takes to be able to fit a WCS module vs fly a HIC and how the time disparity just isn't fair.... I've seen a lot of illogical arguments on the forums, but this one is pretty awesome. It goes beyond the average bending of facts to prove a point and lands in that region of though just on the the far side of "wait what???"
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-03-27 13:36:40 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
cpt Mark wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Lot of crying here about stabbed ships.

Infinite point them (its a thing).
Alpha them.




You can use a warp core stabiliser within a week of starting EVE. You cannot use an infinite point untill what, 3-4 months at least?


Well you are the 2008 character complaining that you cant catch, what was it.....
Quote:
"afk plex runners with more isk than they can spend on a 2 week old toon..."


I wouldn't think 3-4 months skill training is really a problem for you.



Please state where i complained I cannot catch something.

I never did.. I think for the benefit a WCS provides it should be more expensive to purchase.

Use your brain cells.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#24 - 2014-03-27 13:51:27 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
Luwc wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
There is a related post in warfare and tactics about guys getting away. It's a good read. Overall, folks are supposed to get away if they put some effort into it. You can tackle anyone if you put some effort into.

Last time I looked, most ships have a fixed number of low slots, so infinity stabs isn't possible. Infinity point is possible... so what are you whining about again?

Will your next post be a gripe about cloaked ships being too hard to see?


botting russians in warpcore stabbed atrons farming black rise I guess.


he is right. warpcore stabs should get a nerf.

At least make their fitting requirements so they cannot be easily fitted on frigates.



So you want to break an entire class of ships because you don't know how to fit multiple points


This is why CCP ignores stupid threads like this...


I too like to fit 3x points on my punisher.

how are warpcore stabs any part of "class"... its just a run away module. there to make a carebears life easier.




Confirming I carebear by shooting structures... Pls remove 100mn tengu it's a run away module
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-03-27 14:23:54 UTC
I love WCS.

Why? Because the tears from dual-stabbed plex runners are so epic after my farm-hunter fit cloaky Astero with 3 scrams blaps them.

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cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-03-27 15:32:48 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
I love WCS.

Why? Because the tears from dual-stabbed plex runners are so epic after my farm-hunter fit cloaky Astero with 3 scrams blaps them.


no tears.. they just reship and come back lol
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#27 - 2014-03-27 16:03:10 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
cpt Mark wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Lot of crying here about stabbed ships.

Infinite point them (its a thing).
Alpha them.




You can use a warp core stabiliser within a week of starting EVE. You cannot use an infinite point untill what, 3-4 months at least?


Well you are the 2008 character complaining that you cant catch, what was it.....
Quote:
"afk plex runners with more isk than they can spend on a 2 week old toon..."


I wouldn't think 3-4 months skill training is really a problem for you.



Please state where i complained I cannot catch something.

I never did.. I think for the benefit a WCS provides it should be more expensive to purchase.

Use your brain cells.



You complained. If it was just a price point problem you would be in the market forum discussing it there (possibly discussing build cost and I dunno railing against. You chose to post in warfare and tactics and gave the example of folks getting away as the reason the price should be higher. So I will state that your original post IS COMPLAINING. Just because we can't actually hear the whine in someones voice doesn't mean it isn't there.
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-03-27 16:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: cpt Mark
idiot wrote wrote:

You complained. If it was just a price point problem you would be in the market forum discussing it there (possibly discussing build cost and I dunno railing against. You chose to post in warfare and tactics and gave the example of folks getting away as the reason the price should be higher. So I will state that your original post IS COMPLAINING. Just because we can't actually hear the whine in someones voice doesn't mean it isn't there.


This isn't warfare and tactics bro...

Examples were posted later?

Well done for using a few brain cells at least.. although not as many as I had hoped.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#29 - 2014-03-27 16:31:13 UTC
You're right, this is crime and punishment. I had the thread confused with the MWD/cloak insta warp whiner. My mistake. You are right and I was wrong.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-03-27 18:04:18 UTC
To be fair to Serendipity, first thing I thought when I read the OP was "Haha, someone was stabbed and got away and he's mad." Stabs are pretty cheap, I'm not really convinced that's a problem though. Just last night I was on comms with a guy while he spent 30 minutes getting enough points organized to tackle a stab fit Skiff. You read that correctly. It was parked next to a mining Moa.

My point is if my target gets away because he was stabbed, I would think, damnation, I needed more points, or maybe a scram instead of a disruptor. Touche potential victim who will now get away. I do not think, man stabs are op and need to be nerfed.

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Chromis Pasqflower
Planet Express Transport
#31 - 2014-03-27 22:49:26 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:


Please state where i complained I cannot catch something.

I never did.. I think for the benefit a WCS provides it should be more expensive to purchase.

Use your brain cells.


If you don't like the price, then do something about it. Start by buying up stocks of stabs, melt them into trit if it makes you happy. Play some market PvP. you don't even have to do this across the cluster, merely in the near by regions. It might take a while, but hey, what else are you going to do when these guys are getting away from you?
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-03-27 23:09:44 UTC
Chromis Pasqflower wrote:
cpt Mark wrote:


Please state where i complained I cannot catch something.

I never did.. I think for the benefit a WCS provides it should be more expensive to purchase.

Use your brain cells.


If you don't like the price, then do something about it. Start by buying up stocks of stabs, melt them into trit if it makes you happy. Play some market PvP. you don't even have to do this across the cluster, merely in the near by regions. It might take a while, but hey, what else are you going to do when these guys are getting away from you?


It would require far too much ISK beyond my means to buy up such a saturated market.. I have already hiked the price in a few constellations that are out of the way as such, but ideally every trade hub would need targeting too...
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-03-27 23:15:30 UTC
Honestly warp core stabs are a poor mechanic anyways. The current system leaves no counterplay once in space. Either you have enough stabs to escape or you don't. This along with ECM are the two types of modules that really feel poorly designed and show eve's age.

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Chromis Pasqflower
Planet Express Transport
#34 - 2014-03-28 00:13:29 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
Chromis Pasqflower wrote:
cpt Mark wrote:


Please state where i complained I cannot catch something.

I never did.. I think for the benefit a WCS provides it should be more expensive to purchase.

Use your brain cells.


If you don't like the price, then do something about it. Start by buying up stocks of stabs, melt them into trit if it makes you happy. Play some market PvP. you don't even have to do this across the cluster, merely in the near by regions. It might take a while, but hey, what else are you going to do when these guys are getting away from you?


It would require far too much ISK beyond my means to buy up such a saturated market.. I have already hiked the price in a few constellations that are out of the way as such, but ideally every trade hub would need targeting too...


Then spend less time desperately hanging out at gates and more earning isk. Stabs are usually pretty cheaply for sale. Though knowing this now, I might encourage some production just to be spiteful.
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-03-28 00:52:10 UTC
Chromis Pasqflower wrote:
cpt Mark wrote:
Chromis Pasqflower wrote:
cpt Mark wrote:


Please state where i complained I cannot catch something.

I never did.. I think for the benefit a WCS provides it should be more expensive to purchase.

Use your brain cells.


If you don't like the price, then do something about it. Start by buying up stocks of stabs, melt them into trit if it makes you happy. Play some market PvP. you don't even have to do this across the cluster, merely in the near by regions. It might take a while, but hey, what else are you going to do when these guys are getting away from you?


It would require far too much ISK beyond my means to buy up such a saturated market.. I have already hiked the price in a few constellations that are out of the way as such, but ideally every trade hub would need targeting too...


Then spend less time desperately hanging out at gates and more earning isk. Stabs are usually pretty cheaply for sale. Though knowing this now, I might encourage some production just to be spiteful.


1) Hanging out at gates is fun, its one of the fun things to do in EVE... so I hardly think its desperate (not everyone fails at gate camps like you)

2) Stabs are cheap... yes well spotted.. and you figured it was worth pointing this out again?

3) Encourage production? GO ahead.. I doubt anyone would listen to the wisdom of someone with such a lack of common sense - who in their right mind would start manufacturing items because everyone else is going to with no regard as to the profit margin available; Of course if they were 5 mill a piece producing them might actually be noteworthy.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#36 - 2014-03-28 01:19:01 UTC
Make WCS activated. +2 warp core when activated, 500 cap and 5 second activation.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#37 - 2014-03-28 04:07:18 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Honestly warp core stabs are a poor mechanic anyways. The current system leaves no counterplay once in space. Either you have enough stabs to escape or you don't. This along with ECM are the two types of modules that really feel poorly designed and show eve's age.


Agreed.

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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WaterMarks
The Keywork
#38 - 2014-03-28 07:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: WaterMarks
cpt Mark wrote:

1) Hanging out at gates is fun, its one of the fun things to do in EVE... so I hardly think its desperate (not everyone fails at gate camps like you)

2) Stabs are cheap... yes well spotted.. and you figured it was worth pointing this out again?

3) Encourage production? GO ahead.. I doubt anyone would listen to the wisdom of someone with such a lack of common sense - who in their right mind would start manufacturing items because everyone else is going to with no regard as to the profit margin available; Of course if they were 5 mill a piece producing them might actually be noteworthy.


1] running around with Stabbs is a fun thing to do in eve (not every one deserves kills at gate camps)

2] gank ships are to cheap...

3] producing stabbs and make profit who woulda guessed? they cost roughply 18k to make i sell for 30k

your complaining about something when eve has the gear to counter it. u just dont want to do it cause 'itll make my ship less ganky and i dont like that'

not to mention increasing cost means makeing it cost more minerals (even more then a t1 frigate) witch makes no freaken sense

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Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-03-28 08:00:33 UTC
Make WCSs more expensive? How daft.
First of all, cost should never be a factor in balancing.

Second, just plain no. They come with some massive penalties already.
Also, HIC infini-point. Get it.

Or if not, just check my forum signature down below.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-03-28 09:32:02 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Make WCSs more expensive? How daft.
First of all, cost should never be a factor in balancing.

Second, just plain no. They come with some massive penalties already.
Also, HIC infini-point. Get it.

Or if not, just check my forum signature down below.



Yeah, let's all bring HICs to kill 1 mill isk Frigs.... that makes purrrfect sense.

I don't think anyone really cares about the penalties. If you have a WCS fitted you generally aren't out there to fight anyone - it's like turning low sec into your own little high sec.

HIC to kill a 1 mil frig? You're a joker.

Cost shouldn't be a factor in balancing? Well you need to suck it up chuck because it already is. Faction mods cost more, T2 mods cost more, T2 ships cost more, Faction ships cost more etc etc etc.

I don't remember the last time I saw a titan sell for less than a frigate.. do you?