Warfare & Tactics

It's a fine feature, don't consider an exploit at all. It can be countered, so it's all good.

TBH you just sound mad someone got away.

and has decloaking with drones been removed? this was my thought to maybe counter

Your "speed bracket needed to warp" doesn't exist. There is just a minimum velocity threshold, no maximum. To warp you need to be moving above 75% of your ship's current max velocity and aligned in the correct direction. If you're aligned to what you're trying to warp to you will enter warp instantly as long as you're above 75% current max v. What you're describing in point 2 is a result of not being aligned.

Reprocess the legion. Sell the bits. Buy an interceptor with profit. Tackle drake. Thank me.

My point? You are bad at this game if you think that is an exploit.

I think your q approach hotkey is an exploit that allows poor excuses for tacklers (though better than you as far as I can tell) to approach cloaked vessels with no requirement for skill. You should have to double click in the proper direction and manually fly at them. HOT KEY to approach?? Next thing you know you'll be able to auto pilot directly to a station and automatically dock.

Youre 'eve is too hard' tears aren't even tasty.


Frigates are for tackling NOT legions. Stop blaming the game for YOUR WRONG CHOICES.

quote=Princess Nexxala]It's a fine feature, don't consider an exploit at all. It can be countered, so it's all good.

TBH you just sound mad someone got away.[/quote]

so if u hit ur align>MWD>cloak and u can move the same M/S with a mwd while cloaked as if you wasnt cloaked for one cycle which is 10s and then become into insta warp as soon as u uncloak compared to where with no cloak>MWD where you gotta wait ur 5+ seconds to align then get into the "speed bracket needed to warp" (pendin on ship your flying). the T1 cloak is intended to make it harder for people to catch yes but yet easier at the same time., it reduces speeds to 25% but yet with this exploit it makes that invalid knowing that u can catch ur "speed bracket needed to warp" right away. the reason i call it an exploit which it is, is because if everyone knew about it they would be doing which then CCP would have to change it right away, reasoning for that is its able to fit on any ship where as the T2 is only allowed on certain ships. makng any ship invulnerable to attack or anything. hasnt happened to me to much but the last 2 weeks ive had 3 ships do this and ive chase em jumps and stopped because of this..




Farjung: Your "speed bracket needed to warp" doesn't exist. There is just a minimum velocity threshold, no maximum. To warp you need to be moving above 75% of your ship's current max velocity and aligned in the correct direction. If you're aligned to what you're trying to warp to you will enter warp instantly as long as you're above 75% current max v. What you're describing in point 2 is a result of not being aligned.

try using ur MWD or AB or just flying at a random direction and then warp to a planet/stargate that is in a different direction. doesnt work that way buddy.. ur racing at the target not where he is going cuz they cloak up and u dont see where they are heading...


serendipity Lost: Reprocess the legion. Sell the bits. Buy an interceptor with profit. Tackle drake. Thank me.

My point? You are bad at this game if you think that is an exploit.

I think your q approach hotkey is an exploit that allows poor excuses for tacklers (though better than you as far as I can tell) to approach cloaked vessels with no requirement for skill. You should have to double click in the proper direction and manually fly at them. HOT KEY to approach?? Next thing you know you'll be able to auto pilot directly to a station and automatically dock.

Youre 'eve is too hard' tears aren't even tasty.


Frigates are for tackling NOT legions. Stop blaming the game for YOUR WRONG CHOICES.

yo completely missed the point. its a cruiser+ u will have this happen to you very soon and ull be like WTH, they should be able to come out of cloak into insta warp. like ive said prev id had this happened to me in a T1 cruiser multy times in the past 2 weeks gets annoying when u cant catch nor keep up with a BC in a cruiser, get out of ur FW mind frame where u catch the afkers in other frigs

Serendipity Lost <-- sorry get out of ur null experience, we have to deal with gate guns :D 5 shots ina frig was the best ive taken off gate guns. null is zzz.

You claimed it to be an exploit because the cloaker is supposedly bypassing some mythical 'speed to warp bracket' by being too fast when they dropped cloak, so they should have had to slow down before they could warp. You claimed it here: "using the above 2 terms you can be either to slow to warp or to fast to warp so there is a certain speed braket for each ship to fall within before warp initiates." As I have stated, and you have agreed, this is not the case - if anyone is aligned to the direction they wish to warp, they will enter warp as long as they are above 75% of their ship's maximum velocity. So no, it is not an exploit for your target to do this.

Just because they are making it hard for you to catch them doesn't equate to them exploiting, however much you claim that is the case.

The part where you were "screaming to your corpies on comms".

Do you scream like a girl?

Just wondering.

I'm actually a WH gal. I only play in null when they are dumb enough to dial in and not hang up.

If you're just upset about cloaky haulers passing through LS gates unharmed, well I do have a few suggestions. There are many much more satisfying facets to pvp and in specific low sex pvp - don't get your panties all wadded up over a hauler. I routinely haul billions of sleeper blue loot through low sex this way with no worries. If you win then I lose, so it's pretty obvious who is in the wrong here. (not me)

On the other hand the legion sux for what you are doing. I'm sure you know that. There are many better choices. A brick proteus with long points and sensor boosters is an obvious one. You know the deal. You have to pick and choose. You can't have it all. I used to use a bomber on LS gates. Have someone grab the gun aggro and use a sebo bomber to get point. Pass it on to your buddy and get out of dodge. Did I lose a few to the gate guns - yeah.

Anyway, the mwd thing isn't going to change. There's just too much isk moving through LS that way to have it change. (think big fish moving big value things here). Drop some probes, get in a wh and you know maybe kick my butt for calling you a whiner. Did you know you can use bubbles in a wh? Pretty sweet fun to be had.

Stop being a tiddy baby!

i em sorry, i miss read ur post, sorry getting extremely tried. so when u so when align to a desto you can be 75% above "speed bracket needed to warp"..... lets say you jump into a gate and hit the "jump gate" button. ur ship from where it is, will align and get up to "speed bracket needed to warp". this pending on ur ship will take +5 sec we will say (dont and cant get into depth with what ship will take how long due to fitting).. so now if u are flying a thorax lets say and u jump through a gate and another thorax ship is sitting on that gate u just jumped into. you hit "jump" to ur next desto and it takes 5+ to align and start warp its gonna catch u and u will fight or be forced to try and jump back int the gate which u just game from? yes...

now lets say same scenario happens but u have a cloak a cloak T1 cloak on ur ship. u jump in and u cloak up. that will reduce ur M/S to 25% of the max M/S of ur ship ( im to tired to look up the actual % of the T1 cloak you lose).. now the oppsing thorax has the chance to race towards you and and try and decloak if he wants "if he seent where u was on the map. you dont have many choices cuz if u was to try and warp off you would start at ur 25% M/S and need to get to ur 75% to catch "speed bracket needed to warp". if u made it, good for you u but if u didnt make the warp ud be forced to fight or jump back through gate u just came from.

what is the problem now and the third scenario. is say u the thorax was sitting on a gate (gate camping).. another thorax jumped it in. you was to try to target it and it cloaks up (which is fine). so u saw where it was on the board and start racing towards its to decloak it. u hit ur MWD or what not to get to him.( the only thing is this other thorax that u was after hit aligned (to his desto) then hit his MWD and then cycled it to red, then hit cloak. so hes going the same speed as he was towards his desto with out the cloak) as soon as he uncloaks he instantly warps off cuz hes "technically" already past his 75% speed as while aligned (MWD takes 10 sec) . u cant catch him yet cuz u are to far away from him and u got ur MWD going towards his ship which his desto is know where near the direction ur ship is going. so he warps off safely. now u hit "warp to" ur ship has to slow down to align then get into the "speed bracket needed to warp" which is 75% (we will say ATM) by the time u start warping he is already out of system.

so to these 3 scenarios 2 are acceptable to myself. to resolve the 3rd scenario is to either cut down the % to make as if the MWD or AB as cloaked is the same as just a normal cloaked shipped, or to have the cloak over ride and shut down the MWD or AB..

hopefully this explains what going on a lil better id figure if u disagree there is no getting u to switch ur mind which would most likley make me believe u use this same system and to each its own untill CCP fixes this..

i hate gate camp and station games but know one will fight us if we got a roam so leads be to be bored to do this....