Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is an excellent mechanic. You should be on the CSM or something to bring it to CCP properly, and also to be in a position to be the proverbial “I” under that mechanic.

Taking about extremes, removing high sec would be a more thorough solution.

There isn't a mechanic that encourages you not to play. There's a mechanic that allows other players to shoot at you, and your insane level of risk aversion when it comes to losing spacepixels simply cannot be accounted for.

I should have explained in my earlier posts where I was deriving my argument from. It relates to what the OP mentioned in passing.



I am under the assumption that most of the "weaker corps" are industry. Perhaps it's a bit arrogant to extrapolate and imprint my own ideas onto what OP was saying.

I would agree with you that PvE combat pilots are just as 'inexperienced' as Industry pilots when it comes to PvP; meaning almost as ineffective in PvP fleets. However, PvE combat pilots can actually put a fleet together that has potential. Their skills are not as polar as an Indy pilot's skills.

That is why I do not consider PvE combat pilots the same as Indy pilots. PvE combat pilots have the necessary skills to compete. They simply choose not to. It's their own fault that they suck in PvP.




My posts are a bit misleading. I failed at establishing a connection between my point and the OP's from the beginning. I will try to remedy that here.

The reason I brought up Industry is because I would argue that it is intertwined with OP's plea. I said in an earlier post that many newer players are not familiar with the concept of player driven content; they follow whatever recommendation the game directed to them last. For a lot of newer players, that ends up being mining. (Why this is the case, I can not say)

Except for the few brave pilots who dare to break the trend, these miners go hard at work and either burn themselves out and drop the game entirely or find themselves in an Industry corp. I believe that these Industry corps are the true "weak corps" that the OP mentioned in his first post.

My suggestion was to stop promoting mining as a viable income source in the beginning of the game. Not because mining is "too pro to train for" as Erufen Rito said sarcastically, but because combat skills are what allow players to have power over their game time. It helps prevent merc/pirate corp harassment of newer players. This harassment primarily being new pilots' fear of undocking during a war and not playing the game they paid for.

Why can I not just say that it is working as intended? Because it leads to these corps breaking apart and potential friendships and cooperation being eradicated. Which translates into no player driven content because no new corps with potential springing up and escaping high sec. The game does not dynamically change and it becomes very monotone. No new threats arise and it's always the same corps and alliances fighting with each other.(This is a generalization. There are obviously exceptions and this point is arguable)

----------v--------------v------------------v------------This is a bit of a side track----------v----------------v-----------------v---------------------
If that is not enough to convince people, I made another assertion. There is a reason why Industry corps are not really preferred in null and low sec. They can not provide anything comparably useful in combat situations. Combat pilots do not need their own corp to mine and manufacture their equipment and ships. They can buy them with their own money that they generated from the many other means of making money in the game. This does not mean that pilots without combat skills are useless. I understand that with just a week or two work of combat/E-war/logi skills they can contribute to a fight(please stop mentioning this, we all know). Nevertheless, Industry corp pilots are not willing to jump into PvP combat on their own and merc corps are just as happy to oblige and wardecc them because of their decision. Even if they do join larger corps/alliances, they are forced to pick a skill training in order to be useful during war. A lot of the times, this means new pilots end up not doing the things they were interested in and growing bored, once again, with EvE.
----------^------------------^----------------^-------------This is a bit of a side track--------^---------------^---------------------^---------------------


Finally I want to say one last thing. In the fanfest keynote, it was mentioned that they desire for all "space structures [sic]to be destructible." That elevates combat skills to a higher priority. I would even go as far as to say it elevates it higher than all other skill career paths. Everything you do in the game must be protected. Therefore, stop directing new players into mining so that they can actually fight back, create content, have a voice and protect whatever assets they accumulate. Especially if we are heading down a road where everything is going to be destructible.


Edit: Feel free to rip apart this post. I would like to have this mentality challenged.

You could also get out of high sec. The mechanic is irrelevant there.
More money in null anyway :)

This doesn't work for character transfers. It also doesn't work for organizations like Brave which are wardecc'd constantly. There has to be options for quitting corp somewhere in the solution..

But there you have annoying capitalship non fun warfare. That is why most of us prefer high sec combat.

The problem there is that there is no incentive to be in a larger corp in high sec. NEeds some mechanics for that. Simple as

corp tax for NPC corps 50% (yes 50%) 1 man corp same 50%. For each extra new memvber drops by 1%. Now larger corps have a meaning


Wehn you achieve that you can simply make small corps war dec increase in price. Make all wars for exampel cost 200M not scaling from 50m to 500M. That way declarign war on a 5 man corp becomes a dumb idea. At same time being in a 5 man corp forever becomes dumb idea.

Why that is needed? Because if you make too hard to war dec small corps everyone will be flyign in 1 man corps.

But that would imply that I like all of you!

Knowledge is power. I know far more about missioning and mining than I'd ever care to, and plenty about other aspects of the game I don't generally deal with. One day the information may be useful and I'll be prepared.

Then again, I'm also the "Always Prepared" guy in real life, too. Ensuring I have Trauma Kits, Food, and other supplies always ready to go.

But anyway, in how we deal with wardecs against "carebears" is we really just try to teach them. If they play along, and try to learn and adapt, even just a bit, it's a success and we let them carry on. If they talk ****, we keep the wardec going.

In one recent wardec, they were being really good sports, even as we were repeatedly slaying a bunch of their ships, so we would let them send out a destroyer to loot and salvage the field, and we'd let it live.