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There are capsuleers that still care about imperial politics?
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Jonas Wickonian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-03-25 14:28:29 UTC
all this thread has really done is convince me that i need to buy my own cloning facility and run it independently from CONCORD, i reckon i could make quite the profit from it.
Jace Sarice
#22 - 2014-03-25 14:33:32 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:

Have your people get in touch with mine to arrange the spanking session at your leisure.

Inquiring minds wish to know if this will be a public or private event.

Eve Uni professors?

What in Bob's name could they hope to gain from observing such a spectacle?


Extra credit motivation.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-03-25 16:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Some choose to maintain their humanity, some choose to take the next step.

Some choose both.


Ixiris, respectfully, you are wrong. The empires and governments of humans are constructs that cannot contain a post-human, infomorphic consciousness that has fully embraced it's nature. However, we can choose to remain "human" and assimilate ourselves within a framework that was not constructed for our existence. Both choices can not be reconciled - it's only one or the other.

To embrace what we truly are is to abandon the flesh of humanity and, consequently, any physical or emotional relationship to the baseline human race.

To embrace our humanity is to remain within our shells and maintain our ties to the populations, cultures, governments, ideas, and rule of law that surrounds us.

Understand that nether choice is right or wrong - it comes down to what we choose to do. Choice is the greatest power we wield as capsuleers, though it appears that recognizing the nature or even the existence of our choices is still difficult. Know that every one of us has the power to shape our own world in our own image, but we cannot escape the necessity of choice - choices are all we are.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-03-25 16:58:24 UTC
Jonas Wickonian wrote:
all this thread has really done is convince me that i need to buy my own cloning facility and run it independently from CONCORD, i reckon i could make quite the profit from it.


Wonder if that was Kuvakei's first mistake?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-03-25 18:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:

I don't know about you, but I don't need PLEXes.


Then you're either not a capsuleer (which makes you a liar) or you're a liar (which makes you a liar). Your pod and neocom will not work at all without paying your dues to CONCORD. This is a fact, stop lying.


I don't think I'm lying at all.

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Speaking of making proper payments to CONCORD, the battle of B-R5RB? Only happened because someone forgot to pay CONCORD a bill.

I for one would like to see capsuleers become more independent from CONCORD, however the current state of things makes it impossible for us to even exist without their jurisdiction. Until pilot's licenses are suspended, SBUs power down, and clone growing becomes an independent service, you, me, and everyone in nullsec are CONCORD's bitches.

Sov nullsec is for CONCORD bitches, yes. I can't wait for them to try something in pirate nullsec. Perhaps even save the Feythabolian people from their oppression.

Not that that's likely to happen.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-03-25 20:04:54 UTC
Pirate nullsec is like Sov nullsec without the permission to put up your own tents. If anything, Concord forces you to use the existing system infrastructure, making you even MORE their bitches.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-03-25 20:28:52 UTC
I like to destroy gallenteans and sanshas.
Just think about it.

Doing humanity a service and getting paid in the process. Isn't it the best kind of job?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jace Sarice
#28 - 2014-03-25 20:29:14 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Pirate nullsec is like Sov nullsec without the permission to put up your own tents. If anything, Concord forces you to use the existing system infrastructure, making you even MORE their bitches.


This. Any of the nullers that think they are somehow out of reach are unbelievably ignorant.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-03-26 00:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:


I don't think I'm lying at all.


I have no clue what you are trying to show me.

((OOC: You seem new so I'll go easy on you. In the lore, pilots can only pay CONCORD through PLEX really. Paying with real world money, time codes, trial accounts, and buddy programs don't really exist.

That said, It might be possible to claim you use a planetary currency or something. But only because there is no real solid lore explanation how how pilots pay their licences Even PLEX is extremely vague. ))

Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:

Sov nullsec is for CONCORD bitches, yes. I can't wait for them to try something in pirate nullsec. Perhaps even save the Feythabolian people from their oppression.

Not that that's likely to happen.


Mr. Tuulinen summed the situation in pirate null pretty well. The fact of the matter is that at the moment, capsuleers are reliant on CONCORD for a variety of services.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#30 - 2014-03-26 00:47:22 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
Quote:
while CONCORD can end you at any given moment while you're in the deepest wormhole pretending to be an immortal goddess who doesn't care about imperial politics.

I'm fairly sure CONCORD has never gone into a wormhole.

Actually that did happen once.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate ツ Full-Time Supermodel

▷ worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕ ▷ вσss
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-03-26 04:06:16 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

Eve Uni professors?

What in Bob's name could they hope to gain from observing such a spectacle?

Practical demonstration of applied physics.
Temba Ronin
#32 - 2014-03-27 02:52:38 UTC
I have no problem being concerned about the state of politics in the four empires. If it is too much for others to bother with that is their choice but by no means a direct result of being a capsuleer.

I look forward to the day when we all will be free of the velvet handcuffs of Concord. There should be some segment of space that is completely free, free to inhabit, free of governmental oversight.

It would be the wild west of ancient lore but certainly a place worth living and dying in. A place where you gained sov not by paying a fee to Concord but by gaining the loyalty of the inhabitants. A place where you could fly without a pilots license, but of course would not be able to fly anywhere else it was still required by the four empires.

Truly lawless and unrestricted out of the reach of Concord and it's clone re-animation control of all capsuleers yearning to be truly free. We have high sec, low sec, and null sec, we need free sec!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#33 - 2014-03-27 02:59:55 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
We have high sec, low sec, and null sec, we need free sec!

We already have it.

Wormholes baby, wormholes.

Well .. minus the part you mentioned about flying without a license. But I guess thanks to the volumous amounts of ISK that are to be made in wormholes it's pretty much flying for free anyway.

/eyelash bat

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate ツ Full-Time Supermodel

▷ worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕ ▷ вσss
Temba Ronin
#34 - 2014-03-27 03:18:52 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
We have high sec, low sec, and null sec, we need free sec!

We already have it.

Wormholes baby, wormholes.

Well .. minus the part you mentioned about flying without a license. But I guess thanks to the volumous amounts of ISK that are to be made in wormholes it's pretty much flying for free anyway.

/eyelash bat
My experience is limited to running in wormholes for sleeper loot, it's my addiction.
That being said I'd love an area out of the reach of clone re-animation controlled by Concord. Out of reach of taxation, yes even automatic corp taxation. Where I could moon mine, do PI, asteroid mine, and all the other things we do in high sec, low sec, and null sec .... true free sec.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#35 - 2014-03-27 03:21:25 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
We have high sec, low sec, and null sec, we need free sec!

We already have it.

Wormholes baby, wormholes.

Well .. minus the part you mentioned about flying without a license. But I guess thanks to the volumous amounts of ISK that are to be made in wormholes it's pretty much flying for free anyway.

/eyelash bat
My experience is limited to running in wormholes for sleeper loot, it's my addiction.
That being said I'd love an area out of the reach of clone re-animation controlled by Concord. Out of reach of taxation, yes even automatic corp taxation. Where I could moon mine, do PI, asteroid mine, and all the other things we do in high sec, low sec, and null sec .... true free sec.

Like ... like ... like an Omnisec?

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate ツ Full-Time Supermodel

▷ worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕ ▷ вσss
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#36 - 2014-03-27 06:55:56 UTC
Unless you have a jump clone on a Rorqual, you are leashed to one of the four great nations, like it or not.

If you think that your null-sec alliance is immune to national politics or CONCORD's actions then I dare to not pay your sovereignity bill for a month to CONCORD and see what happens.

Without the nations and CONCORD every null-sec alliance would completely collapse in under a year. In the sudden rush of freedom they would destroy everything they could find, and the rate of destruction would far outstrip the rate of building. Eventually the few survivors would lay huddled over the last few outposts, cautiously eeking out an existence with the last few BPOs that had not been burned in the fires of war, while unfueled, immobile Titans laid scattered about as fossilized monuments to the past.

All in all, the wormhole dwellers would be better off... for a time... if only because it would take them longer to track down and destroy each other outright. But once done it would be even more devastating, as there would be no final survivor outposts left. The Sleepers would go back to sleep.

The sound of the Amarrian heart
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#37 - 2014-03-27 07:51:55 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
I have no problem being concerned about the state of politics in the four empires. If it is too much for others to bother with that is their choice but by no means a direct result of being a capsuleer.

I look forward to the day when we all will be free of the velvet handcuffs of Concord. There should be some segment of space that is completely free, free to inhabit, free of governmental oversight.

It would be the wild west of ancient lore but certainly a place worth living and dying in. A place where you gained sov not by paying a fee to Concord but by gaining the loyalty of the inhabitants. A place where you could fly without a pilots license, but of course would not be able to fly anywhere else it was still required by the four empires.

Truly lawless and unrestricted out of the reach of Concord and it's clone re-animation control of all capsuleers yearning to be truly free. We have high sec, low sec, and null sec, we need free sec!


Gorgeous... free-spirited... talks of velvet handcuffs...

Um, yeah I wholly agree with what he said!

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
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