Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, I am not moving goal posts.

The concern of even more warning from local in such a site is only valid in low and null sec. High Sec local is all but useless unless you have made a name for yourself as a ganker or joined a grief corp that people know to set standings too. Regardless, I accept that as a valid concern and further developed the idea to the inner pocket being in a seperate space so that local is only a factor in the outer pocket with the defending fleet.

I further accepted, though i do not neccesarily agree with, your point of added vunerability of the ships within the inner pocket by not having CONCORD respond there, but it still being a factor in the outer pocket where the defending fleet is. If you outmanuver the defending fleet so that you can get some cloaked ships in there, you should be able to exploit that.... I dont like it, and would want it balanced with even greater reward for the increased risk outside the rules of highsec... But I can see the merit in that stance and accept the compromise.

We have vastly opposed playstyles and general morals, even though I am not a miner. Despite your grammer I do take your concerns seriously when are not just spewing rhetoric about how you should be allowed to kill anyone anywhere in a barely fit newb ship by just logging on because sandbox.

I do not have an agenda to make high sec safe. I addressed your concerns about high sec because that was where you focused your argument, but this whole idea is really about the management of risk and getting PvP combat ships to face combat ships, a much bigger issue in other parts of space. Like any income, it would get better in lower security space, where the rules of that space would put the defenders against stronger forces and more tools, like bombs, interdiction spheres, bubbles from heavy interdictors, faster attack and response to threats from cynos, etc...

What you see as moving goalposts is me engaging in the discussion and development of an idea, and then agreeing with a point you made. Frankly the point of larger groups holding them is of more concern, but also part of the benefit and intended on a smaller scale. I am interested in ideas to help keep the scale more effective to middle sized groups, and I personally find it hilarious that you think a guy or two multiboxing could keep one of these secure for any length of time.

The cloaked ship would not be able to simply slip by, the defending fleet would still have to be dealt with and the cloaks enter while the gate is unlocked by normal means.

Then they would show up in the local of the inner pocket, and being restricted to the grid would have at least some chance of being decloaked through active hunting... Better than the in system somewhere of null sec anyway. The bigger the group you pull this on, the better they can try and deal with it. I still disagree with cloaked ships in space having no chance of being hunted through active effort.

Cloaks are a whole other tired discussion though, and not super relavant to this one as you could get a combat wing in there the same way and log off.

Its also a fact that this idea does not prevent raids against industrial elements. It does raise the bar on the difficulty of doing so, especially solo, but the whole idea is that you know where they are, and they have a need and desire to stay and defend even in the face of shiploss if it can buy enough time to attempt evacuation if necessary. Kill their defense and raid all you like.

It is directly aimed at making it possible to effectively defend PvE activity against hostile action with combat ships before engaging non-combat ships in a game of duck hunt with lasers.

Carebears are not the only risk adverse players, there are plenty of risk adverse predators in EVE who want to ignore any opposition in favor of easy risk free profit too.

if a cloaked ship can get by while the owning corp is logged off and then lies in wait, thats alright. will they know hes on grid by some kind of sub-local? because the afk cloaking threads will be a head ache. normal local is fine in hi-sec just like u say. but knowing hes within the site somewhere makes it just as bad as null.

if a cloaked ship can activate the gate at the same time its been unlocked for a friendly, thats not only alright, thats very cool.