EVE General Discussion

Guess I'll just cross post this here:

An AFK mining bot is also just 1 account working at the rate of 1 account, yet that is illegal because the player is not physically doing the work.

By extension one could argue that the player is also not doing the physical work for 19 of the 20 accounts being multiboxed. The player is physically active for 1 account. The other 19 are essentially being AFK botted because it's not the player actually providing the input, it's the program.

Also it is clearly providing an advantage. When there are 20 miners in a belt and you have to activate them all manually it will take you at least a minute to activate all of them by hand. I'm sure with practice it could be done faster, but fact remains that you can never do it instantly across all windows.

So the obvious advantage, no matter how small, is that 1 minute it takes to get to the last window. That single minute you don't have to wait for action to start adds up over time. Do it for long enough and that minute turns into an hour. That hour turns into 6 hours. That 6 hours turns into 12 hours and so forth.

Without automation it is impossible for a player to physically command 20 accounts simultaneously. That's really all there is to it.

So you don't put any actual money into EVE, yet you think you are helping EVE just because you use plex that someone else bought? There will always be people buying plex for real money, the more people like that, the better. The less people like you, running 40 accounts that you don't pay for, the better.

Thank you for posting by the way, you are a good example of why isboxer should be disallowed.

Someone with 40 accounts who pays them nothing isn't good for CCP. You need a good ratio of people buying plex for real money to people who buy plex for isk. As more players like him come about Plex prices will continue to rise until eventually the normal player can no longer afford to buy plex for isk. At which point they have two choices, start to use 3rd party software such as isboxer or bots, or quit EVE. 1000 guys such as Belt Scout would have a profound effect on plex prices.

I'm sure we've heard from CCP before about how bots are bad for EVE because they drive up plex prices and contribute nothing to the game because they buy plex with isk to pay for their subscriptions. How is this any different from this 40 barge isboxer guy and others like him?

If a plex is worth more isk, more people will buy plex to sell for isk.

As demand decreases, more normal players will be able to afford to pay for their account with plex and will be able to play EVE rather than quit. EVE has more overall unique players and less leeches only interested in farming isk with their 40 accounts.

First off. Einstein, You don't "help" the market by buying a shitload of plex ingame with isk - What you do is create such high demand for plex that people can sell them at ludicrously high prices which is why if you look at the PLEX market history it just keeps going up and up.

Of course there is a ratio. The more accounts plexing their accounts with isk, the the higher plex prices will rise. You can't say that rising plex prices will be equaled out by an equal number of plex sellers buying more plex to meet the raising demand because it doesn't work like that, and that's why plex prices are getting so high and continue to rise.

It won't be long before plex are 1 bill each and it won't stop there. They will keep rising, driving more normal players out of the game or converting more of them into isboxers or botters, the less of these types the better.

This is just about the effects on the plex market too, completely ignoring the impact an isboxer has on the game play of normal players, especially miners. It's not fun to see a guy with 20 or 40 barges come in and hoover up the anomaly you are mining in, this leaves a bad taste for players.

No I didnt try to say it like that, I apologize if it seemed that way. You only have to click one key and it stacks the command out to all ships. Picture having every screen perfectly identical to the others, then stacking them all up on top of each other. Clicking one button on the screen you're viewing, clicks the entire stack. That's how it works. What Im trying to convey is that this is only a small part of what ISB does. It allows me to fit multiple screen together in an arranged group without any borders. If you ever wanted to have multiple overviews lined up next to each other, this is what ISB can do. That sort of thing. Excellent when playing in a wormhole and i want cloaky campers all over the place watching for someone else to pop in. >:o)

Edited cz grammar and alcohol dont exactly go hand in hand.

Exactly. It gives the user an unfair advantage, it's against the Eula. And it is a form of automating commands. It's time CCP did put a stop to it.

I guess the real difference is the whole "automated" part to running software like this.

If you were to look at how a bot works. I bot is following a scripted set of commands. To keep it short, lets just say they are Undock, find rock, mine rock, redock, unload, repeat. over and over and over, all day long until sed bots owner comes home from work and stops the program.

Multi software doesnt "automate" like this. It just replicates a command the user inputs when that user presses a key or clicks the mouse over a target on the screen. It doesnt chain commands together, and it wont do anything if the player steps away from the kb.

By CCP's own definition, all they want is a human at the keyboard to operate their game. They dont want a player to start a program and leave for the day to let that program run routines from lines of script.

The real difference isn't about the number of accounts. Its the presence of a human to interact with the game while the client is logged in.

Gaming bots are bad because the user just starts a program and leaves. There is no warm body at the keyboard.