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Divine Entervention

Doomheim

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#241 - 2014-03-25 02:41:33 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

"Automation" refers to actions that should be being taken by the player, instead being taken by the program.

Mouse clicks, and the number thereof. If you have a program that lets you lock red crosses and shoot them one after another with the player only having made one click, that is illegal.

If you have a program that lets you tell multiple accounts, with one click, to lock those crosses, and then with one more click to fire on them, that is legal.

And that's why isboxer should be illegal, because that one mouse click is being turned into twenty mouse clicks via it's telling 20 different accounts to do that mouse click.

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#242 - 2014-03-25 02:42:20 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

So if it's going to be argued that someone is allowed to use a 3rd party automation program to more efficiently control multiple accounts at the same time, then I should be allowed to use an automated mining bot.

Sure, go ahead. Use an automated mining bot. It will be a breach of the EULA and lead to a ban of your account, but that's the risk you take when that has already been clearly ruled on by CCP.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#243 - 2014-03-25 02:42:51 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

And that's why isboxer should be illegal, because that one mouse click is being turned into twenty mouse clicks via it's telling 20 different accounts to do that mouse click.

False. It's turning one click into one click, for twenty accounts.

No single account is taking more actions than mouse clicks. That's the key determination that has been used thus far.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Divine Entervention

Doomheim

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#244 - 2014-03-25 02:44:24 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Divine Entervention wrote:

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

And that's why isboxer should be illegal, because that one mouse click is being turned into twenty mouse clicks via it's telling 20 different accounts to do that mouse click.

False. It's turning one click into one click, for twenty accounts.

No single account is taking more actions than mouse clicks. That's the key determination that has been used thus far.

One click for 20 accounts, essentially 20 mouse clicks.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#245 - 2014-03-25 02:47:53 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

One click for 20 accounts, essentially 20 mouse clicks.

"Essentially" is not where the line is drawn.

For a single account, multiple actions for a single click is where the line is drawn.

One. Account.

It's that simple.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Divine Entervention

Doomheim

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#246 - 2014-03-25 02:52:51 UTC

The pressing of one button gets mimicked and sent by the software, automating the mouse clicks.

It has a "repeater process" which means that it's repeating that keypress. You right click, and it repeats that process for each account.

That one singular right click, through the repeater process, gets multiplied by the amount of accounts it's automatically sending that information to.

Automation

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#247 - 2014-03-25 02:55:29 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

And no single account involved receives more than one set of input per mouse click.

Which is where the line is drawn.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Abyss Azizora

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#248 - 2014-03-25 02:57:01 UTC | Edited by: Abyss Azizora

Hevymetal wrote:

Nidal Fervor wrote:

Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.

More accounts = More subs for CCP
More subs for CCP = More profit for CCP
More profit for CCP = More side projects to spend Eve profit on

Pretty much this, CCP would sell gold ammo right now if they hadn't temporarily lost a quarter of their entire playerbase when they tried to.

I personally despite multiboxers, I did it myself in eve once, never again.

Divine Entervention

Doomheim

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#249 - 2014-03-25 02:59:13 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Divine Entervention wrote:

And no single account involved receives more than one set of input per mouse click.

Which is where the line is drawn.

Which is why the line needs to be redrawn. It's giving one person an unfair advantage over another, perhaps even multiple others, through 3rd party software.

If a guy wants to use 10 accounts, he should be required to manually input the information to each account. Just as I'm expected to do. I have to manually input information to my account, yet he gets to have his manually inputted information multiplied and sent to multiple accounts with automation software.

He's turning 1 click into twenty.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#250 - 2014-03-25 03:00:58 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

Which is why the line needs to be redrawn. It's giving one person an unfair advantage over another, perhaps even multiple others, through 3rd party software.

CCP disagrees. That's the end of it. It's been brought up before, plenty of times. And it's still here.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Remiel Pollard

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#251 - 2014-03-25 03:25:11 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Divine Entervention wrote:

And no single account involved receives more than one set of input per mouse click.

Which is where the line is drawn.

Which is why the line needs to be redrawn. It's giving one person an unfair advantage over another, perhaps even multiple others, through 3rd party software.

No one that multiboxes with or without ISBoxer has ever had an advantage over me so, I don't know what you're doing wrong.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104


Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#252 - 2014-03-25 03:33:14 UTC Remiel Pollard wrote: No one that multiboxes with or without ISBoxer has ever had an advantage over me so, I don't know what you're doing wrong. Team CUBE is a good example of the lack of advantage of ISBoxer (I'm sure that's probably already been written in this thread, but I didn't see it).

Divine Entervention

Doomheim

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#253 - 2014-03-25 03:39:43 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Divine Entervention wrote:

Which is why the line needs to be redrawn. It's giving one person an unfair advantage over another, perhaps even multiple others, through 3rd party software.

CCP disagrees. That's the end of it. It's been brought up before, plenty of times. And it's still here.

13 Pages.

it's obviously not the end of it.

Doomheim 18
Real Serious PVPer Doomheim Likes received: 18	#254 - 2014-03-25 03:40:56 UTC More boxers means more miners which means more targets. That's all there is to this- More PVP. [b] Serious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time. MUFC[/b]


Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#255 - 2014-03-25 03:43:50 UTC \| Edited by: Scipio Artelius 1 Divine Entervention wrote: 13 Pages. it's obviously not the end of it. Yes and in that 13 pages, not a single response from a CCP employee. I think what Kaarous meant was that we can mass debate all we like, but it makes no difference. CCP haven't banned anyone for using ISBoxer.

Lady Areola Fappington

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#256 - 2014-03-25 04:00:53 UTC

Scipio Artelius wrote:

I think what Kaarous meant was that we can mass debate all we like, but it makes no difference. CCP haven't banned anyone for using ISBoxer.

You can mass debate all you want, but be courteous to others please...keep the door closed, turn on some music, and use tissues, not the bath towel.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#257 - 2014-03-25 04:10:45 UTC

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Divine Entervention wrote:

13 Pages.

it's obviously not the end of it.

Yes and in that 13 pages, not a single response from a CCP employee.

I think what Kaarous meant was that we can mass debate all we like, but it makes no difference. CCP haven't banned anyone for using ISBoxer.

Bingo.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Divine Entervention

Doomheim

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#258 - 2014-03-25 04:29:02 UTC

Yup, them allowing cheating because it's more beneficial to them.

The benefit being the appearance of increased users playing and more money being made.

Which if CCP wishes to sell their integrity, that's fine. Capitalism, whatever you want to do.

But considering CCP allows this form of botting, it's safe to come to the conclusion that CCP will allow people to cheat as long as they get paid.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#259 - 2014-03-25 04:33:30 UTC

Divine Entervention wrote:

But considering CCP allows this form of botting, it's safe to come to the conclusion that CCP will allow people to cheat as long as they get paid.

There's only one way to find out...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Asia Leigh

Kenshin.

Fraternity.

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#260 - 2014-03-25 04:41:42 UTC

Nidal Fervor wrote:

Sentamon wrote:

What is this "damage" you speak of. They lower costs of ships and discourage you from solo mining, which has been proven to damage brains.

I have seen local chat when an isboxer is hoovering up an Anomaly. Normal players are driven away by such people. A prime example is the RISE isboxer in Agal. He got rid of all the other miners because he hoovers up an anomaly in about 20 mintues. Nobody wants to play in the same area as him, players leave.

Meh... nothing a few smartbomb fitted battleships can't take care of...

adapt, improvise, and overcome :p

Apply the damn rules equally >.>

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